[Sunnybayes]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Ok i am gonna shut up now because I can't even understand myself!

Hehehe... That's precisely what I mean!!! You can jumble around some words and they seem to kinda make sense sometimes, but then there is a limit, and to really get some understanding you've got to challenge every assumption. You got to make sure that you really understand the words that you jumble around. You've got to really try to define the words that you're going after as best as possible.

This basically goes with Micheal's post "What's the point in discussing a word's definition?"

This is how genius think, they use metaphors at first to get an understand to help guide their thinking, but then once the metaphor has been understood then you've got to challenge it even more with reality...

And another main point was to go along with what Micheal Wrote in this post:

Hmmm its a natural conclusion but naturally flawed.

You think this because your intuitive definitions of the words that I wrote don't match my intuitive definitions. No fault though. Some people might get mad and then try to bash the other person. And "naturally flawed" I could have took that in different ways... I could have taken that personal.

And this part is were you explain your definitions:

Spirituality, for me, is another branch of science.

We actually agree on that, that was the intuitive definition that I was using, and that's what I wanted to show, and that's what I meant to say here:

Spirituality and Science are not really in conflict, in fact they compliment and need each other.

Because a "branch" means that the two ends might be different, but that they are linked. That's my intuitive definition of branch.

But sense I intentionally left it vague, we thought we disagreed, but really thought the same. That's what I mean, you've got to challenge all the words that you take for granted and don't assume that other people have the same meanings for the words.

Science is NOT the way to the answer, it is a route, Spirituality is also a route.

Again you are arguing with me about the definitions of the words... and that you want to because I chose not to define those words. Or maybe I misinterpreted that and thought you were arguing.

Its all interconnected.

Exactly (just stating that our definitions did agree).

Therefore to say Science is Good and Spirituality is Evil is like saying Christianity is Good and Islam is Evil. Its just NOT. They are different routes to the same thing.

I threw out some bait. I specifically asked people to bite onto in. Thanks. Usually I'll write a huge essay to make people understand. I'm trying to define good an evil objectively so that we can get some real truths going.

Just wanted to say also that people on TV and politicians will do this, use a word, fail to explain what it means, just say the word over and over again to make it sound like the person knows what he's talking about.

It goes both ways. The reader needs to care to reread and try to resolve what the person is saying, and the writer should be clear with the terms that he's throwing around or provide some links of the concepts that he's using.

I don't know if I explained it right or if my message made sense but I will sum it up now:

Good and Evil are not Forces, they are Perceptions. Spirituality deals with this perception, it raises the questions like what IS good and what IS evil, Science does not do these things. But Science answers questions spirituality can not, and vice versa....

Ok i am gonna shut up now because I can't even understand myself!

Writing a word With Capital Letters Does Not Define The Words. It gives the writer an illusion of authority for example, or I suppose it signifies that the writer acknowledges that the word has no precisely defined meaning but asks the reader to determine the meaning from the context... which I suppose is the case with every word...

Please don't take this as an attack Akashic_Librarian... I appreciate your feed back... I just wanted to make this post so I'll be able to make a point later on down the road...