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Originally Posted by Indiana Elias did not use any birth control. His partner did. | In that case, Elias did not have any children. His partner did. Q.E.D. | That does not make a lick of sense. |
Elias AND HIS PARTNER used contraceptive medication which SHE took orally, (because HIS taking it wouldn't have accomplished anything) and they both relied upon it to prevent them from having children.
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Originally Posted by Indiana His partner wanted to avoid getting pregnant. So she took birth control (best chance at achieving her intended outcome). Elias on the other hand wanted to avoid having children. So he... uh... Hmm. |
Trusted her.
Ta dah!
(It wasn't unreasonable for him to trust her, since after all, they loved eachother, and she is a doctor, and all. SO naturally, the TWO OF THEM opted for her to take medication which should have ensured that she wouldn't become pregnant.)
They were conjoined in their sex, and they were conjoined in the outcome of their sex, and they were conjoined in their decision to rely upon BC pills to prevent conception.
Ya fallow?
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Originally Posted by Indiana Pure speculation. Or perhaps Elias just wasn't being quite clear enough about how utterly opposed he (apparently) was to having children. |
You haven't been privy to the same correspondence I have. Elias was very clear.
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Originally Posted by Indiana That's as may be, but it doesn't seem that it was a possibility he even investigated. Still, you managed to do it. One wonders about the hassle of procuring one vs the hassle of having unwanted children. |
Since he trusted his partner's judgement, and she never suggested it (and SHE'S A DOCTOR, once again) he believed he was covered. In hindsight, he feels differently now. He had not ever considered the possibility that his gf would elect to have a child against his wishes - but loving her, and wanting to do-right by her, he stuck by her and ultimately married her. When the second kid was conceived, he was again distressed to discover that his now-wife was AGAIN prepared to ignore his wishes, and another child was born.
I feel terribly for him, that his wife was so disloyal. But that's just me - I consider integrity and loyalty to be paramount - and he was twice unfaithful to her.
Myself, getting a vasectomy wasn't that serious a challenge, since I have six kids under my belt. (Five sons and a daughter)
Johnny Soporno
"Father to many - Married to none." - Beastie Boys