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Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre  Sunnybayes: Most of the references were references to the Bible. And the way they used the scientific knowledge was exactly the same way they, and many people, use statement in the bible. By choosing to interpret what was said in a way that supports their message, completely ignoring the context and limitations of the original statement.
For example this line comes from the Hebrew Bible, "The universe was formed at God's command, so that what was seen was not made out of what was visible." They used that line to conclude that "God created the universe out of some of the dimensions of space and time which are not visible to us."
They state that particle physics and relativity say that at least ten dimensions of space exist. It's actually String Theory that makes that claim (and gaining support as M-Theory, currently incomplete), though I assume they just wanted to use recognisable terms. Their logic falls apart when they fail to realise that all those dimensions are considered part of the universe, and that everything in the universe exists in all those dimensions, where the extra dimensions are compacted into the four visible spacetime dimensions. Therefore, God of four spacetime dimensions is no different, no more limited as they claim, than God of ten spacetime dimensions. And if He created the universe out of invisible spacetime dimensions, then He created the universe out of part of the universe.
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Hehe, I know it was crazy, I just thought it was kinda funny/clever how they reason that he exists and lives in 2 time dimensions.
But that's just what science is. "God" is just a label or an analogy. People have to agree on the definition. I guess I'm trying to label/define God in my own way to describe several different phenomena, and come up with my own analogies. But they're just making the best guess that they can given all the evidence and every time someone comes up with an objection then they have to redefine what God really means to incorporate those exceptions, just like any physical model. I just like their effort and their guesses that they've tried to muster out so far.
I think the upper level concept, label it God, or some phenomena, whatever it might be, might just be impossible to know, perhaps maybe that it has something to do with the uncertainty principle... so that its impossible to guess or know... I'm just thinking about this kind of stuff too.
Here's the analogy that I'm going for. The concept of God and the rules to follow him is analogous to a cell following its instructions of its DNA.... something along those lines, and that the God DNA is what tells humans how to form societies and relationships, like DNA tells cells how to work together "synergetically" to form a body.
Edit: I guess you'd say that our DNA is just information and instructions for cells to work together, like laws of government and god are rules for us to work together to make a society.
And I also argue, that if you translate the word God correctly into your own language that you can relate to then there is some good advice.
I also think that the word faith boils down to the uncertainty principle of quantum mechanics. Its impossible to be 100% sure so faith is required eventually.