[escapee]

Congratulations Escapee!!! That is the first good post I have seen from you. All science -- and from actual legitimate sources. Not to sound too condescending, but I am proud of you! So now, maybe we can have an intelligent discussion.

(cough) I have always posted legitimimate scientific sources in my posts. I'm very glad that you finally recovered from the bout against severe hallucination by recognizing the value of those "scientific studies". Congratulation ! I'm proud of your progress and yea lets' have intelligent discussion.

What makes a science reliable ? ( As a former R&D engineer ) I would say it's repeatability and reproducibility. The subsequent larger studies show that veges and fruits(fiber) offer no protection at all against cancer. All these dissapointing LARGER studies easily override all the previous smaller studies done that showed otherwise.

I believe it's game over for fruits and vege against cancer. But there are good for preventing scurvy and possibly CVD

Instead of testing for fiber naturally found in vegetation, it used supplemental fiber which has none of the phytochemical benefits that actual vegetation has. It is not surprising that fiber on its own had limited impact

Oh yes, real vegetables are used, read them carefully.

JAMA -- Abstract: Intake of Fruits and Vegetables and Risk of Breast Cancer: A Pooled Analysis of Cohort Studies, February 14, 2001, Smith-Warner et al. 285 (6): 769

Context Some epidemiologic studies suggest that elevated fruit and vegetable consumption is associated with a reduced risk of breast cancer. However, most have been case-control studies in which recall and selection bias may influence the results. Additionally, publication bias may have influenced the literature on associations for specific fruit and vegetable subgroups.

Data Synthesis The studies included 7377 incident invasive breast cancer cases occurring among 351 825 women whose diet was analyzed at baseline. For comparisons of the highest vs lowest quartiles of intake, weak, nonsignificant associations were observed for total fruits (pooled multivariate RR, 0.93; 95% confidence interval [CI], 0.86-1.00; P for trend = .08), total vegetables (RR, 0.96; 95% CI, 0.89-1.04; P for trend = .54), and total fruits and vegetables (RR, 0.93; 95% CI, 0.86-1.00; P for trend = .12). No additional benefit was apparent in comparisons of the highest and lowest deciles of intake. No associations were observed for green leafy vegetables, 8 botanical groups, and 17 specific fruits and vegetables.

Conclusion These results suggest that fruit and vegetable consumption during adulthood is not significantly associated with reduced breast cancer risk.