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Old 05-12-2007, 11:25 PM   #19 (permalink)
Michael Chui
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Originally Posted by Interesting Ian View Post
Your conviction of consciousness has everything to do with the fact that you are conscious.... Therefore mental causality must necessarily exist, at least for that one thought "I know with incorrigible certitude that I am conscious".
Yes, mental causality exists. It is an extension of physical causality.

1) Physical causality is the source of consciousness.
2) Consciousness is the source of mental causality.
3) Mental causality is the source of the conviction of consciousness.
4) Thus, physical casuality is the source of the conviction of consciousness.

Which part did I get wrong?

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*I* didn't bring it up. You asserted that it is extremely likely that consciousness is a product of the brain. I replied that there is a great deal of evidence and many reasons to doubt it. Look to the evidence suggesting survival. Consider the transmission theory of the mind/brain relationship. I'm not prepared to go into it in this thread which is about free will. If you're interested go and do your own homework.
Fine, fine. You are right, and I am wrong. It must be obvious, and I must be a blind idiot not to see it. I repent my sins, Father. I will do my homework like a good schoolboy and believe you without question henceforth. And the next time I bring up the mind/brain transmission theory, I will do it after having heard about it, since it apparently debunks all of my argument.

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