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Originally Posted by Michael Chui 
My response would be: How do we self-determine our own essence?
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By always having existed.
Consider that the older civilizations believed in cyclical time. A worldview where time has no beginning and no end.
Our present world view cannot fathom that, except for the symbol for infinity.
Now it could be we are simply in a system, as the pic above shows, where we are just going on and on in a loop ?
(This would answer the question "Is this universe inside of something.")
One has to ask, why that particular symbol for infinity?
The old "history always repeats itself" sort of thing.