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There are ideas that we aren't just a mechanical device but that our thoughts and perceptions effect our cells and how our genes work.
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Thanks for asking clarifying questions- I must admit I'm being a parrot of listening to Bruce Liption stuff. Wish I coud just ask him.
But the idea, I think, is that the thoughts and perceptions are comming from the part of you that is consciousness itself. The part of you that isn't conditioned or habitual or that can be an observer of the conditioned part of your body. The thoughts and perceptions themselves can become habitual, but they become conditioned as the consciousness of you decides things and chooses this or that as how you think you want to or how you conclude based on your parent's responses to weather or not, for example, you should be scared to snakes. Your consciousness has to make a decicsion to be scared and then have thesubconsciousness habituate that snakes are to be scared of.
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That there is a self conscious mind that is able to exert freewill that is different than all the programmed stuff.
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A self conscious mind, I gather, is a definition of that part of you that isn't programmed into the subconsiousness. So that answer to : is a self-conscious mind programmed? would be no - kind of by it's definition.
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All the programmed stuff is there and operating in the now, has no time frame.
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That's the idea that our subconscious mind is allways operating for us in present tense. It dutifully carries out what we have as conditioned responses, as long as we chose to let those responsses run (which is most of the time). It's also the concept that we may have conditioned some behaviour into our subconsciousness when we were a different age, but that behaviour is still going to try to run in present time.
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Only the thinking mind can have thoughts about time.
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The thinking mind, or that part of us that is aware and flexible and not habitual and free will, is capable of conceptualizing and looking forward or remembering the past - this is a function of our awareness. The subconscious is not able to think like that - it's just programed responses.
I supposed it seemed like there can be a definition or drawning line for the subconscious and conscious parts of us, and that line is that only theconscious part is able to hold and imagine the concept of time. Anything that can't or doesn't have that ability is the subconscious.
Again, I'm mostly just kind of relaying what I absorbed from listening to Lipton's material. I dont think I scewed too much from what he says.