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NOTE. This post is not intended to start a flame war against Lychee, or any one else.
This post is intended to simply look at statements, follow them, and then follow the conclusions.
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1. If one makes the statement (and agrees with it) "I perceive 'subjectively' and can only perceive subjectively," then everything is subjective to you.
2. Following the above Axiom, it's impossible to perceive an objective universe.
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Further, does an 'objective' universe exist?
l. Is there an 'objective' universe?
ll. Not to the subjective perceiver.
lll. Is there an 'objective' universe here, where we exist?
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It would seem not, because everyone is perceiving subjectively.
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Is there an 'objective' universe anywhere ?
Until you can rid of Awareness, an "objective universe" is an idea that is impossible.
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1. We perceive subjectively, but our awareness is subjective perceptions of objective things. The observer is a subject, the observed is the object. It's objective in that
something is being observed, subjective in that something is
being observed. Both parts are necessary.
2. Even our subjective awareness is objective in the sense that (depending on your world view) it is an objective part of the physical universe. It perceives but it is also perceived. Can we not observe other people thinking and acting, and thus indirectly observe their consciousness?
Objectivity and subjectivity are just labels for relationships between observer and observed, not statements about the nature of the unvierse in general.