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Old 05-07-2007, 07:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Self evident truths, that are not self evident.

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NOTE. This post is not intended to start a flame war against Lychee, or any one else.
This post is intended to simply look at statements, follow them, and then follow the conclusions.


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Originally Posted by Lychee;65428 from --- Steve Is Wrong, and Endangering His Readers Thread.
Reality is both objective and subjective. This earth and world existed before you did, apart from your subjective experience of reality. Objective reality is what is there independent of the observer - what is being observed - and subjective reality is simply our perception of it.
1. If one makes the statement (and agrees with it) "I perceive 'subjectively' and can only perceive subjectively," then everything is subjective to you.

2. Following the above Axiom, it's impossible to perceive an objective universe.

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Further, does an 'objective' universe exist?

l. Is there an 'objective' universe?
ll. Not to the subjective perceiver.
lll. Is there an 'objective' universe here, where we exist?

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It would seem not, because everyone is perceiving subjectively.

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Is there an 'objective' universe anywhere ?

Until you can rid of Awareness, an "objective universe" is an idea that is impossible.

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