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Originally Posted by wolfgang  1) There's belief that comes from direct experience.
2) There's belief using faith in directly experienced evidence being conveincing "enough".
3) There's belief using faith in what other's say. |
I would add a fourth.
4) There's belief that comes about due to repetitive thought.
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Originally Posted by wolfgang So, too bad, there seems to be a grey area. Where's the line bewteen 1 and 2? Direct experience versus enough evidence. |
I agree. I think that line can only be decided by the individual.
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Originally Posted by wolfgang I think belief is based on subjective experience and can't be proved to others. Faith is what makes someone say they believe something even though they may not have had the direct subjective experience to know or feel it's true (for them). |
Thank you for clarifying that definition for me. It makes what you are saying much clearer to me now.
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Originally Posted by wolfgang If God did chat to you, you would believe it and you wouldn't need to walk out on a limb of faith to have that belief. As opposed to me saying I believe in God because everyone around me says they do, and I decide to believe that too - I would have that belief by having faith, not by experience. |
Agree!
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Originally Posted by wolfgang I'm not sure that I said faith is based on subjective experience. A subjective experience is what changes faith into someone knowing and plain having their belief. |
I'm not sure you said it that way either, Wolfgang. Let's call it my mistake. I wasn't clear about our differentiation between faith and belief.