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Originally Posted by infinitethoughts  |
What the? were you being sarcastic? You didnt educate nothing, I've already statated the placebo effect in this thread or another. I've always encouraged the power of belief... What you believe is ultimately going to control how you feel.
I have no problem with ppl engaging in fantasy(thinking they can burst clouds) but if you actually think its real and spread that information, dont you think its promoting ignorance?
If someone pays me a compliment and says i am good looking.... That could make me feel better depending on how much value i put on that person. He or She created or affirmed a belief i had programmed or was primal... That could provide me contentment and being in a positive state of mind is good for physical health. Am I really good looking? Or do i just believe that? It's all relative... maybe to some ppl me thinking i am good looking is dellusion because they dont find me attractive... and maybe to others I am one sexy mofo. In the end it only matters what i believe....or i could just be a zen buddhist and not have that superficially attachment and just be content all the time.
Obviously if I think I am good looking, smart or whatever... that's just a relative truth not an absolute. That's my fantasy. If you broke a cracker and told me you were strong, I would consider that more of a truth then you claiming u can burst clouds. Because at least breaking a cracker holds some relative truth...relative to the 90 year old granny who cant break that cracker you are strong. Heck maybe you would get that same ego hit a power lifter gets..
"A person's beliefs and hopes about a treatment, combined with their suggestibility, may have a significant biochemical effect. Sensory experience and thoughts can affect neurochemistry. The body's neurochemical system affects and is affected by other biochemical systems, including the hormonal and immune systems. Thus, it is consistent with current knowledge that a person's hopeful attitude and beliefs may be very important to their physical well-being and recovery from injury or illness.
However, it may be that much of the placebo effect is not a matter of mind over molecules, but of mind over behavior. A part of the behavior of a "sick" person is learned. So is part of the behavior of a person in pain. In short, there is a certain amount of role-playing by ill or hurt people. Role-playing is not the same as faking or malingering. The behavior of sick or injured persons is socially and culturally based to some extent. The placebo effect may be a measurement of changed behavior affected by a belief in the treatment. The changed behavior includes a change in attitude, in what one says about how one feels, and how one acts. It may also affect one's body chemistry."
Belief is part of your system, your closed circuitery...
The mind and body are connected, is the mind and the cloud connected? No
So if anyone wants to prove a "miracle" dont do it by means of recovery from sickness, which i am sure many athiests(including myself) have successfuly recovered from sickness.
Oh and let me add if this sick man saw you guys praying for him that could have a direct scientific affect as well. Seeing your desire for him to live and the love factor could have increased his desire and will to live effecting the physical process going on in his body.
Belief is science too...