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Old 04-23-2007, 05:51 PM   #10 (permalink)
Anagogy
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Default Paradox.

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Originally Posted by DaveTyler View Post
no man, I am not, you are consciouss and I am consciouss, stop saying im the creator of my reality, I'm suicidal from it, I need to get out of it, but I cant...
I look at people as not alive, not real souls
In order to preserve your sanity, I wouldn't look at people as "not alive" or not having real souls, by which I think you mean consciousness. In my opinion, it would be more accurate to say they are just as real as you are. So, if you wish to consider your own self as real, they are too. From a different perspective/state of consciousness, your ego and everyone else's ego are constructed illusions (the word illusion simply meaning they are not what they appear to be). But don't get hung up on confusing terminology involving different perspectives of reality, like subjective-reality, or what have you. Especially if it is causing insanity. Trust your intuition. What "feels" right to you? Look inside yourself. The world is information. Consciousness is the "space" or container that holds that information, and this stuff called consciousness doesn't end at the tip of your nose by the way, but spreads through the immensity of space, and all probable/imaginal realities. Maybe there isn't an objective world out there. But then, maybe there is. But understand I say that with the caveat that we only ever see it through the lense of our subjectivity. Therfore, objectivity is the effort on the part of the observer to leave prejudice at the door. Objectivity is just a concept, because without consciousness, there is no subjective or objective.

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Originally Posted by DaveTyler View Post
Another thing, time must exist some form, your always in the now, but the now is moving constantly towards future, cause if not, you'd never be born, you'd never die in this physical reality...
Alot of channeled personalities say time does not exist, that everything exists in the eternal "NOW". They also say that the past is not over with and that the future is already happening. But what do they actually mean? How do we explain this apparent paradox? Clearly, as human beings, we perceive a series of causal events, one after the other, in logical sequencial order. However, I think the paradox can be resolved if we take a different perspective on the nature of time in general. What we call "time" would better be termed "change". If there were no change, there would be no time. If you had a rock, floating in empty space, and I mean EMPTY space, what frame of reference could you possibly use to justify the passage of time? The reason time appears to exist for us is because we have SO MANY frames of reference to relate to. We have the change called orbit, involving the sun and the earth, we have the change called deteriorating cells (physical aging), we even have devices called watches that change relative to many of these other changes so we can keep track of change even better. Ever go through a phase of life where you feel mentally older than you actually are, or perhaps somewhat younger? This is caused by either alot of change happening or very little change, respectively, and relative to these more normal changes.

One conundrum created by conceptualizing time as change is when you wonder why change/time happens in the first place. The word "change" or "happening" is kind of defining in that it presumes a beginning and an end to some event which presumes a perhaps long or near infinite series of events, maybe with a "first-cause" to be discovered. I don't think that line of thought is particularly accurate -- it doesn't really grasp the whole picture. Reality, in my opinion, is more akin to a slide projector. All the images (states of existence) are there to begin with, inside the slide projector, but most choose to go through them in a certain logical order. Not everybody mind you, but most. The part of the projector with the currently displayed image could be termed your conscious mind. The part holding the vast array of images is your sub-conscious mind.

Understand that all possible/conceivable images (states of existence/change) exist in the slide projector. The only thing that is actually changing (and in effect, creating the illusion of the passage of time) on this slide projector is the image that is being dsplayed. The conscious mind is the only thing that feels this passage of time, because it is the one filtering through the various images. The subconscious/higher self are helping out too, to make sure you percieve the optimal series of images in order to fully appreciate the bigger and better images. Eventually we look at ALL the slide-projector images. So just because we are looking at one image, it doesn't mean that the other ones have stopped existing, it just means we have changed our focus. Much like people do when they relive an event in the past through something like, say, regressive hypnosis for example.

This analogy helps, but still falls short of the magnificence and complexity of the actual concept I'm trying to relay. If I come up with a better one, I will try and relate it.
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