[themaster]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

You're doing it again here, with your "John's a negative guy."

Then.. I'll just shut up..

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I bet John sees himself as a positive guy.

I agree with you.. but his statements are what reflect the "negativity"

Were all good people moonrambler.. not a bad one among us.. (if you ask me)

Originally Posted by moonrambler

When you design your messages to provoke a reaction, you are breaking the rules that Steve set up so the forum would follow his vision for this website.

I agree with you moon.. but this happens all the time.. in a myriad of ways.. whether on purpose (me) or on accident (aren't really any accidents from my way of thinking)

Steve calls this forum "personal development for smart people" where and when do smart people get to develop when they "brush every comment and idea" under the rug..?

Rules are made to be broken.. that's just the truth.. it's not something I say I'm trying to do.. every time we make a rule be it "slavery" or "unequal rights for woman" we break it..

If you ask me.. there are no rules to self.. we are a beautiful people and society.. everything we do is beautiful in every way..

My posts with john were simple.. to reflect back his negative statements and comments about how he's see's us.. so that he could see himself in a different perspective.. it's hard to say if that worked or just got him more agitated.. (I think it did both)

There has only been one other forum member where I have really had to talk like this to and that would be smartalx.. and no it didn't exactly go this way.. it went differently..

I went out of my way many times in my posts to say the following

"John I don't really know you.. I offer the idea of being a mirror"
"And John I apologize"

I don't say that stuff just cause I'm being nice to mods.. I mean that too..

I don't hold what I said to john as a feeling.. I consider them a reflection.. but I can't go round and also say my words are "untrue" cause there not..

I am not justifying my words (and yet, I am ) I am saying I did my best to offer John a reflection of himself for discussion.. this reflection is obviously skewed through my unique interpretation/perspective..

I apologize again and if this is not good enough.. I'll just be glad to shut up for real.. and let it go.. I am not absolving myself of blame or pretending I'm unequal.. I take responsibility that's just what it means.. I know what I said.. I know how I said it and I know why.. it was all to help john and myself.. however since this is a case of judgment.. it rests on those who have to judge..

Originally Posted by moonrambler

This too. Why couldn't someone be angry with you?

They could be angry.. but I'm external.. all problems are problems of the self.. that's what I believe.. I do understand however that some people believe different.. and they have a right to believe that..

Originally Posted by moonrambler

As I mentioned earlier, you could present your case in Steve's or Erin's individual forum or in Gen & Intro. But repeating it several times here that you don't approve of banning doesn't have an impact, as I kind of doubt either of them are reading here.

I do not wish to bother them.. however, I would like to say in talking to Steve last time.. he is a awesome individual.. I can see why I chose this forum..

We may not agree exactly on ideas of "subject matter" but that doesn't not make it so.. steve is a really nice person.. <emotional self says "hi">

Originally Posted by Angela

You don't have to, but if you'd like to transform that, I'd be happy to talk with you in the future; if you don't care to, that's fine, too, it only means that we won't be talking together.

I would like to transform this.. but I think we need to agree to meet together and agree the transformation is for both of us?

If this is just a 1 sided thing.. it won't work..

If you would like to talk about this.. then yes, I would like to openly or privately.. I leave it to you.. I believe it would be a good learning experience for us both..