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Old 04-14-2007, 02:28 PM   #88 (permalink)
Velvet
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Doctor Gonzo:

Your reply was well-written and most of it made sense, and I am glad that Isis Kali asked the eloquent question that inspired it.

This reminds me, in a way, of the "Rules" brouhaha from about 10 years ago. Some desperate/hurt women read the book to learn how to "catch a man," and manipulate him into marriage, and some more thoughtful women read the book and applied whatever nuggets of wisdom (amongst the more objectionable text) for empowerment.

Some men (and women) got upset thinking it was a text book on how to become a gold-digging shrew, but the reality is that it was just another explanation for the mating game and how men and women approach relationships differently. Fairly benevolent and applicable stuff if not taken as gospel, and if used with compassion.

I do question whether all of your brethren are as thoughtful and honest about their intentions as you are, Gonzo. After all, it's called "seduction" and being a "pickup artist"--these terms are pretty drenched in negative connotations.

In the pick-up literature I've seen (links provided in this very forum), I see women referred to as numbers--"8s" and "10s"--which I find chilling and dehumanizing, not to mention judgmental. Something tells me you're not factoring in her SAT scores here.

Also, someone asked about parenting upthread and I'd be curious to hear a reply about that. With all this picking up (and presumably putting back down) where does child-rearing fit in? Does the ultimate PUA vision include a world full of single mothers? Seems to me we've got that situation already and it's not benefiting anyone.

There is one nit I'll pick with your post, though:

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Originally Posted by Dr Gonzo View Post
More sex, love, affection and fun is ALWAYS a good thing.
I dunno, is any part of that true? Is more sex "always" a good thing? There are times in a woman's cycle when she is more likely to want sex, and times when she wants to be left alone. Is it possible to have "more love"? (How are you defining love here?) Is "more fun" always a good thing? Whence this "more more more" mentality? I would respectfully encourage you to consider where that belief comes from.

Other than that, thanks for your clarifying post.

Last edited by Velvet; 04-14-2007 at 02:34 PM.
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