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eric132 · 06-03-2010, 01:06 AM

jeff3 01-15-2009 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SuavePlaya (Post 285346)
if I put my face on a dinosaur body would my body turn into a dinosaur? Will I be able to walk in the street and knock over buildings? Can I put my face on a pornstar's body, so I can manifest a 14 inch penis? will I wake up with a 14 inch penis in 2 months? This is ridiculous...
I tried a variation of the penis thing once and I woke up to find a little 12" tall guy playing a piano. It seems I was not enunciating properly and the universe thought I said "pianist". It scared me so bad I gave up, besides that, I decided I don't need a shorter penis.

sean83 01-16-2009 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MonergyTheBook (Post 285387)
I definitely can see how this works.

I have noticed myself how the energy of other people makes me feel healthy or ill at ease, just by being around them. It is amazing how the mind can control how the body feels and actually how it looks.

I have practiced a form of meditation for almost twenty years; one of the things that I meditate on is my physical health and appearance- I have noticed how my body's appearance has responded to these signals sent to my brain, and for the most part has corresponded to the things I have visualized. Other people's comments have often confirmed this.
What part of your appearance have you changed?, could you please elaborate on this.

sognorealta 02-01-2009 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jdiddy (Post 109389)
I wanted to start a thread to discuss *techniques* for changing your physical body. The last thread on this topic devolved from an interesting discussion how to do it into a discussion about whether or not this is possible. I know from personal experience that it is, and have no interest in debating this further with people who disagree--I'm only interested in a constructive discussion about *how to do it more effectively*. If you don't agree that this is possible please just ignore this thread.

As I explained in my original post which unfortunately ended up taking the thread off-topic, I have used shamanic techniques to great effect to change my physical body. I have used these techniques to heal cuts, kill infections, heal bruises (and possibly broken bones, it's hard to be sure of the severity when you use these techniques to heal them), regrow lost hair, and bodybuild. I'm certainly extremely interested in knowing what other people have been able to do with these techniques as well.

The philosophy behind shamanism is that the waking world is a dream, just the same as a dream you have while you're sleeping. Being able to change and manipulate the world around you is, at its core, simply a matter of realizing that you have the ability to change it. The key here, as in most traditions that teach some form of intention/manifestation, is the concept of "as within, so without". Meaning that the world is as you think it is.

For me, this means establishing some form of continuity between what I'm perceiving as the present, what I remember as the past, and what I want to be the future. Obviously the past and future don't technically exist right now except as a memory or an idea, so if you can change those memories and ideas to be consistent with the way you want reality to be, you end up changing the present moment.

Let me give an example I've used, not healing this time. When I was younger I used to be into bodybuilding, and I've worked out pretty regularly ever since. Not hard-core or anything, but enough to maintain the level of health I want, and fit into my clothes decently. When I started comprehending the techniques of changing my reality and molding it to what I want it to be, I adopted a slightly different approach. I started actively changing my memories of the past, "remembering" myself doing more reps, lifting heavier weights, and going to the gym more often. When I was at the gym, I would envision myself being more muscular, which allowed me to push out more reps. In a short time I was able to get the body I wanted while going to the gym less, simply by going more in my "memory".

This type of phenomen is extremely well documented, it's well accepted that doing exercises mentally is *almost* as effective as doing them physically. You build muscle, get stronger, and become more coordinaated just as if you were actually doing it. What I realized that if I was able to implant the memory of having done the exercise it would be just as effective in changing my body.

The part that gets tricky, for me at least, is trying to comprehend how this works. It almost seems like I'm constructing an alternative reality in the past, and getting myself to accept that alternative reality without question almost feels like I'm tricking my concious mind--it resists it, to some extent. It takes concious effort, and all the thought control ability that I have, to force myself to accept the alternative reality instead of the one I've already experienced. My best guess about how this works, as of right now, is that I have to spend more time mentally in the alternative reality than I spent in the physical reality observing what I want to change. For example, if I slam my finger in a car door, the longer I spend dwelling on the pain and what just happened, the longer it will take to heal. If I *immediately* recognize that I need to construct an alternate version of what just happened, and run thru it in my mind several times, then the alternate version becomes more real than what just physically happened, I forget about the pain, and pretty quickly forget that it ever happened.

So that is the core of my technique in a nutshell. It's taken me a long time to train myself to have the level of thought control where I'm cognizant of what I'm observing and thinking about, and am able to derail that train of thought and replace it with the reality that I really want. It's like editing a video of my life as it happens, the trick is to force yourself to forget about the clips that you don't want to have happen.
jdiddy,

This is very interesting. Can you please direct me to some books that you read, course, etc.

Thanks again
Sogno

ming 02-01-2009 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by intellisyte (Post 281160)
jdiddy, I found your post searching for hypnosis topics....strange huh? But what I did find was an interesting topic you started. Einstein stated he thought all time, past, present, and future, all ran congruent. Is it possible by thinking of the past, visualizing what you did or looked like, you altered the time line you were running on to one that currently runs in which you looked like you visualized. Thus changing your "past" to fit your current present. So your current physical energy changed to fit your new past? Sounds kind of like a Sliders episode, sorry...

I've really been a time nut forever so excuse my ramblings......G
Do you remember where did you read this from Einstein, I find this man most fascinating, my guess is that he discovered how reality unfolds although we know him best for the theory of relativity.

sk8joyful 02-01-2009 10:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdiddy (Post 109389)
I wanted to start a thread to discuss *techniques* for changing your physical body.

I have used techniques, to heal cuts, kill infections, heal bruises, regrow lost hair, and bodybuild. I'm certainly extremely interested in knowing what other people have been able to do as well. The key here, as in most traditions that teach some form of intention/manifestation, is the concept of "as within, so without".

Obviously the past and future don't technically exist right now except as a memory or an idea, so if you can change those memories and ideas to be consistent with the way you want reality to be, you end up changing the present moment.

Let me give an example I've used, not healing this time. When I was younger I used to be into bodybuilding,
and
when I was at the gym, I would envision myself being more muscular, which allowed me to push out more reps. In a short time I was able to get the body I wanted while going to the gym less, simply by going more in my "memory".
This type of phenomen is extremely well documented, it's well accepted that doing exercises mentally is *almost* as effective as doing them physically. You build muscle, get stronger, and become more coordinaated just as if you were actually doing it.

The part that gets tricky, for me at least - It takes concious effort, and all the thought control ability that I have, to force myself to accept the alternative reality instead of the one I've already experienced.
It's taken me a long time to train myself to have the level of thought control where I'm cognizant of what I'm observing and thinking about, and am able to derail that train of thought and replace it with the reality that I really want.
Hey
Congratulations! - You're on target, & so close!

Just realize, that it's your own subconscious mind doing the work. Learn how to Re-program

this, and you can have what you want, and consciously effortless at that!

You said you wanted to know what other people have been able to do? - I started manifest Abundant health: share healing... stories. Hopefully it's not spamming, posting in both threads

sk8joyful 02-01-2009 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre (Post 110515)
In other words, the mental work resulted in neural changes,
and those neural changes made it possible to get more out of the same muscle.
(and there's a huge amount of anecdotal evidence that mental preparation improves results in physical activity, in many sports).
true.

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eric132 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 70	jeff3 01-15-2009 05:43 PM Quote: Originally Posted by SuavePlaya (Post 285346) if I put my face on a dinosaur body would my body turn into a dinosaur? Will I be able to walk in the street and knock over buildings? Can I put my face on a pornstar's body, so I can manifest a 14 inch penis? will I wake up with a 14 inch penis in 2 months? This is ridiculous... I tried a variation of the penis thing once and I woke up to find a little 12" tall guy playing a piano. It seems I was not enunciating properly and the universe thought I said "pianist". It scared me so bad I gave up, besides that, I decided I don't need a shorter penis. sean83 01-16-2009 07:52 PM Quote: Originally Posted by MonergyTheBook (Post 285387) I definitely can see how this works. I have noticed myself how the energy of other people makes me feel healthy or ill at ease, just by being around them. It is amazing how the mind can control how the body feels and actually how it looks. I have practiced a form of meditation for almost twenty years; one of the things that I meditate on is my physical health and appearance- I have noticed how my body's appearance has responded to these signals sent to my brain, and for the most part has corresponded to the things I have visualized. Other people's comments have often confirmed this. What part of your appearance have you changed?, could you please elaborate on this. sognorealta 02-01-2009 08:52 PM Quote: Originally Posted by jdiddy (Post 109389) I wanted to start a thread to discuss techniques for changing your physical body. The last thread on this topic devolved from an interesting discussion how to do it into a discussion about whether or not this is possible. I know from personal experience that it is, and have no interest in debating this further with people who disagree--I'm only interested in a constructive discussion about how to do it more effectively. If you don't agree that this is possible please just ignore this thread. As I explained in my original post which unfortunately ended up taking the thread off-topic, I have used shamanic techniques to great effect to change my physical body. I have used these techniques to heal cuts, kill infections, heal bruises (and possibly broken bones, it's hard to be sure of the severity when you use these techniques to heal them), regrow lost hair, and bodybuild. I'm certainly extremely interested in knowing what other people have been able to do with these techniques as well. The philosophy behind shamanism is that the waking world is a dream, just the same as a dream you have while you're sleeping. Being able to change and manipulate the world around you is, at its core, simply a matter of realizing that you have the ability to change it. The key here, as in most traditions that teach some form of intention/manifestation, is the concept of "as within, so without". Meaning that the world is as you think it is. For me, this means establishing some form of continuity between what I'm perceiving as the present, what I remember as the past, and what I want to be the future. Obviously the past and future don't technically exist right now except as a memory or an idea, so if you can change those memories and ideas to be consistent with the way you want reality to be, you end up changing the present moment. Let me give an example I've used, not healing this time. When I was younger I used to be into bodybuilding, and I've worked out pretty regularly ever since. Not hard-core or anything, but enough to maintain the level of health I want, and fit into my clothes decently. When I started comprehending the techniques of changing my reality and molding it to what I want it to be, I adopted a slightly different approach. I started actively changing my memories of the past, "remembering" myself doing more reps, lifting heavier weights, and going to the gym more often. When I was at the gym, I would envision myself being more muscular, which allowed me to push out more reps. In a short time I was able to get the body I wanted while going to the gym less, simply by going more in my "memory". This type of phenomen is extremely well documented, it's well accepted that doing exercises mentally is almost as effective as doing them physically. You build muscle, get stronger, and become more coordinaated just as if you were actually doing it. What I realized that if I was able to implant the memory of having done the exercise it would be just as effective in changing my body. The part that gets tricky, for me at least, is trying to comprehend how this works. It almost seems like I'm constructing an alternative reality in the past, and getting myself to accept that alternative reality without question almost feels like I'm tricking my concious mind--it resists it, to some extent. It takes concious effort, and all the thought control ability that I have, to force myself to accept the alternative reality instead of the one I've already experienced. My best guess about how this works, as of right now, is that I have to spend more time mentally in the alternative reality than I spent in the physical reality observing what I want to change. For example, if I slam my finger in a car door, the longer I spend dwelling on the pain and what just happened, the longer it will take to heal. If I immediately recognize that I need to construct an alternate version of what just happened, and run thru it in my mind several times, then the alternate version becomes more real than what just physically happened, I forget about the pain, and pretty quickly forget that it ever happened. So that is the core of my technique in a nutshell. It's taken me a long time to train myself to have the level of thought control where I'm cognizant of what I'm observing and thinking about, and am able to derail that train of thought and replace it with the reality that I really want. It's like editing a video of my life as it happens, the trick is to force yourself to forget about the clips that you don't want to have happen. jdiddy, This is very interesting. Can you please direct me to some books that you read, course, etc. Thanks again Sogno ming 02-01-2009 09:24 PM Quote: Originally Posted by intellisyte (Post 281160) jdiddy, I found your post searching for hypnosis topics....strange huh? But what I did find was an interesting topic you started. Einstein stated he thought all time, past, present, and future, all ran congruent. Is it possible by thinking of the past, visualizing what you did or looked like, you altered the time line you were running on to one that currently runs in which you looked like you visualized. Thus changing your "past" to fit your current present. So your current physical energy changed to fit your new past? Sounds kind of like a Sliders episode, sorry... I've really been a time nut forever so excuse my ramblings......G Do you remember where did you read this from Einstein, I find this man most fascinating, my guess is that he discovered how reality unfolds although we know him best for the theory of relativity. sk8joyful 02-01-2009 10:26 PM Quote: Originally Posted by jdiddy (Post 109389) I wanted to start a thread to discuss techniques for changing your physical body. I have used techniques, to heal cuts, kill infections, heal bruises, regrow lost hair, and bodybuild. I'm certainly extremely interested in knowing what other people have been able to do as well. The key here, as in most traditions that teach some form of intention/manifestation, is the concept of "as within, so without". Obviously the past and future don't technically exist right now except as a memory or an idea, so if you can change those memories and ideas to be consistent with the way you want reality to be, you end up changing the present moment. Let me give an example I've used, not healing this time. When I was younger I used to be into bodybuilding, and when I was at the gym, I would envision myself being more muscular, which allowed me to push out more reps. In a short time I was able to get the body I wanted while going to the gym less, simply by going more in my "memory". This type of phenomen is extremely well documented, it's well accepted that doing exercises mentally is almost as effective as doing them physically. You build muscle, get stronger, and become more coordinaated just as if you were actually doing it. The part that gets tricky, for me at least - It takes concious effort, and all the thought control ability that I have, to force myself to accept the alternative reality instead of the one I've already experienced. It's taken me a long time to train myself to have the level of thought control where I'm cognizant of what I'm observing and thinking about, and am able to derail that train of thought and replace it with the reality that I really want. Hey Congratulations! - You're on target, & so close! Just realize, that it's your own subconscious mind doing the work. Learn how to Re-program this, and you can have what you want, and consciously effortless at that! You said you wanted to know what other people have been able to do? - I started manifest Abundant health: share healing... stories. Hopefully it's not spamming, posting in both threads sk8joyful 02-01-2009 10:43 PM Quote: Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre (Post 110515) In other words, the mental work resulted in neural changes, and those neural changes made it possible to get more out of the same muscle. (and there's a huge amount of anecdotal evidence that mental preparation improves results in physical activity, in many sports). true.