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grazia · 03-31-2007, 05:00 PM

hi all,
i've come across Dr. Hawkins in summer 2005, when listening to a Wayne Dyer speech (f.o.c.) on Caroline Myss' website. i was in fact searching for a more detailed step model of consciousness than Myss, Beck/Cowan/Wilber and other teachers had to offer. and did indeed find it in the MoC.

(later i found out how sloppy W. Dyer was in his naming off calibration results and historical facts. - still, his speech sparked me off plus a speech of John Chilton Pearce, wherein he also mentioned D. Hawkins - DH.
examples:
∞ 575 – Amazing Grace (hymn) – (Dyer mentions loc of 520 .)
∞ 300 – Mother Meera (from India, lives in Germany since more than 20 years.) – (Dyer said, she lives in India and gives her a way higher loc.)
∞ 710 – Mother Teresa – (Dyer gives a loc of 600.)

from then on i searched the net for more information on DH, listened to web radio interviews with him. many of his referrals made perfect sense to reconfirm or fill the gaps of other models of reality.

i had had some prior experience with kinesiology teachers. I've translated John F. Thie (a fine man †) and Daniel Whitside (3 in 1) who met greeted me in the morning with with a stink of alcohol and suffered a minor stroke in the afternoon while lecturing in front of the class.
a friend of mine listened to Dr. john diamond's lecture a few years ago and came to the conclusion, that he has gone awry.
i myself witnessed feng shui masters applying kinesiological tests for their own sake in front of audiences. one was caught and pointed out publicly. he then admitted his transgression.

i was informed about some of the power games among kinesiologists building up schools.
my sister (a adult educator) found much benefit in AK applied on her by her dentist. she went out to do courses in edukinesiology. found that the techniques work for better learning results and that she was criminalized (therotically) by the school law of her respective state. in other states of Germany, however, edukinesiology was not forbidden and downtrodden as so-called pseudoscience.

i compiled a long list of calibrations and many different items and mailed it to a friend of mine without much explanation. unbeknowst to me she was trained in a dowsing method using an instrument called the biotensor. she is not an intellectual as i am, however a pretty right brained person. without me knowing she went of the list with the biotensor in one hand and her finger of the other hand on top of the calibration she was testing. she did not have any background knowledge of how Hawkins AK-method instructions are. and she confirmed with her kind of "blind" testing all the figures which i had noted (Hawkins calibrations). in some cases i had 2 differing figures written down, which he had mentioned on the same item in two different dates. when my friend tested both of them, she found one of both was correct.

i had wondered if i would meet somebody in Germany who had also read Hawkins books. sure enough i did. she is a therapist versed in many methods. she saw me with a bundle of papers in my arm. the blue cover (without writing) of Hawkins 2nd book Eye of the trilogy (German version) sticked out under the papers on top. and she had a hunch which this book was. the same one than she was reading herself. i was enjoyed about this recognition - in a group of 100 people.
she is also versed with the biotensor and without me or my other friend knowing she did the same testing of the same list with calibrations - also confirming these results. these 2 syncs did it for me.

i knew i could influence a pendulum easily, that is why i did not use it for my own sake.
with these 2 friends and another healing practitioner who also uses the biotensor in his practice we formed a group of 4. after a series of strenous arm tests we found this method time consuming and impractical. instead we used either the biotensor or the pendulum instead and could prolong our testing session. we started with a prayer, asking permission, and tested in a group the main items (locs) on the Map of Consciousness acc. Hawkins to see if we could come up with the same results. in 95% of the cases we did. few others differed 5-15 points.

then we dared to do tests of our own. only when all of our instruments rested at the same loc (maximally 5 degrees apart) we noted down the results.

in some cases i had other singular AK testers reconfirm it. my plan is to establish/meet another group which could confirm the more iffy results, wherein some member of the group has a vested interest and could have overridden the group result.

i do not meet very often with the group of 4. other group members at other occasions did not work all that well. we once were a group of 8, 4 curious people on top. the core members of our original testing group each came to the same conclusion afterwards: not again with them. the positionalities and curiosity were just too overwhelming. and the calm energy in the room was gone.

that's where i am with k-testing. it works, given the right frame of mind and clinical attitude.

DH says that only 2% of his critics have taken the time to read a full book and listen to his seminars and calibrate integrous in their intent, which is above 200 in the MoC. our k-testing group did also confirm this with testing.

this a compilation of statements of DH on the case of his critics.
Sir David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D.

these are different statements of DH on k-testing:
SpiritualWiki - Kinesiologie

when testers are not enveloped by DH's group energy field i would deem it a requirement to best work with testers who range in the mid 400s (levels of reason vs. mentating):

The higher the levels of consciousness of the test team, the more accurate are the results. The best results are obtained if both team members are in the mid 400's, which represent clarity, awareness of context, and precision of definition, as well as integrity, self honesty and awareness. D. Hawkins, Truth vs. Falsehood, attachment C, p. 413

grace
grazia

03-31-2007, 05:00 PM	#17 (permalink)
grazia Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bavaria Posts: 9	hi all, i've come across Dr. Hawkins in summer 2005, when listening to a Wayne Dyer speech (f.o.c.) on Caroline Myss' website. i was in fact searching for a more detailed step model of consciousness than Myss, Beck/Cowan/Wilber and other teachers had to offer. and did indeed find it in the MoC. (later i found out how sloppy W. Dyer was in his naming off calibration results and historical facts. - still, his speech sparked me off plus a speech of John Chilton Pearce, wherein he also mentioned D. Hawkins - DH. examples: ∞ 575 – Amazing Grace (hymn) – (Dyer mentions loc of 520 .) ∞ 300 – Mother Meera (from India, lives in Germany since more than 20 years.) – (Dyer said, she lives in India and gives her a way higher loc.) ∞ 710 – Mother Teresa – (Dyer gives a loc of 600.) from then on i searched the net for more information on DH, listened to web radio interviews with him. many of his referrals made perfect sense to reconfirm or fill the gaps of other models of reality. i had had some prior experience with kinesiology teachers. I've translated John F. Thie (a fine man †) and Daniel Whitside (3 in 1) who met greeted me in the morning with with a stink of alcohol and suffered a minor stroke in the afternoon while lecturing in front of the class. a friend of mine listened to Dr. john diamond's lecture a few years ago and came to the conclusion, that he has gone awry. i myself witnessed feng shui masters applying kinesiological tests for their own sake in front of audiences. one was caught and pointed out publicly. he then admitted his transgression. i was informed about some of the power games among kinesiologists building up schools. my sister (a adult educator) found much benefit in AK applied on her by her dentist. she went out to do courses in edukinesiology. found that the techniques work for better learning results and that she was criminalized (therotically) by the school law of her respective state. in other states of Germany, however, edukinesiology was not forbidden and downtrodden as so-called pseudoscience. i compiled a long list of calibrations and many different items and mailed it to a friend of mine without much explanation. unbeknowst to me she was trained in a dowsing method using an instrument called the biotensor. she is not an intellectual as i am, however a pretty right brained person. without me knowing she went of the list with the biotensor in one hand and her finger of the other hand on top of the calibration she was testing. she did not have any background knowledge of how Hawkins AK-method instructions are. and she confirmed with her kind of "blind" testing all the figures which i had noted (Hawkins calibrations). in some cases i had 2 differing figures written down, which he had mentioned on the same item in two different dates. when my friend tested both of them, she found one of both was correct. i had wondered if i would meet somebody in Germany who had also read Hawkins books. sure enough i did. she is a therapist versed in many methods. she saw me with a bundle of papers in my arm. the blue cover (without writing) of Hawkins 2nd book Eye of the trilogy (German version) sticked out under the papers on top. and she had a hunch which this book was. the same one than she was reading herself. i was enjoyed about this recognition - in a group of 100 people. she is also versed with the biotensor and without me or my other friend knowing she did the same testing of the same list with calibrations - also confirming these results. these 2 syncs did it for me. i knew i could influence a pendulum easily, that is why i did not use it for my own sake. with these 2 friends and another healing practitioner who also uses the biotensor in his practice we formed a group of 4. after a series of strenous arm tests we found this method time consuming and impractical. instead we used either the biotensor or the pendulum instead and could prolong our testing session. we started with a prayer, asking permission, and tested in a group the main items (locs) on the Map of Consciousness acc. Hawkins to see if we could come up with the same results. in 95% of the cases we did. few others differed 5-15 points. then we dared to do tests of our own. only when all of our instruments rested at the same loc (maximally 5 degrees apart) we noted down the results. in some cases i had other singular AK testers reconfirm it. my plan is to establish/meet another group which could confirm the more iffy results, wherein some member of the group has a vested interest and could have overridden the group result. i do not meet very often with the group of 4. other group members at other occasions did not work all that well. we once were a group of 8, 4 curious people on top. the core members of our original testing group each came to the same conclusion afterwards: not again with them. the positionalities and curiosity were just too overwhelming. and the calm energy in the room was gone. that's where i am with k-testing. it works, given the right frame of mind and clinical attitude. DH says that only 2% of his critics have taken the time to read a full book and listen to his seminars and calibrate integrous in their intent, which is above 200 in the MoC. our k-testing group did also confirm this with testing. this a compilation of statements of DH on the case of his critics. Sir David R. Hawkins, M.D., Ph.D. these are different statements of DH on k-testing: SpiritualWiki - Kinesiologie when testers are not enveloped by DH's group energy field i would deem it a requirement to best work with testers who range in the mid 400s (levels of reason vs. mentating): The higher the levels of consciousness of the test team, the more accurate are the results. The best results are obtained if both team members are in the mid 400's, which represent clarity, awareness of context, and precision of definition, as well as integrity, self honesty and awareness. D. Hawkins, Truth vs. Falsehood, attachment C, p. 413 grace grazia Last edited by grazia; 04-01-2007 at 12:15 AM.