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Old 03-31-2007, 09:12 AM   #9 (permalink)
Truefire
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Originally Posted by skinnyninja View Post
Nicely put with the rocks and bears.

This reminds me of one of the old arguments, I think it went something like:

Existence is a perfection (of sorts)
Existence exists
therefore God is perfect!

Or something like that. I had to learn it in philosophy class a million years ago and I managed to wrap my brain around it for a moment, I think. But there are flaws in it too, if I remember right.

I have since forgotten it. Anyone else remember what I'm talking about? Sorry I'm so crazy!
I not sure, but I remember something from a philosophy class that went like this.

assume God is perfect, in the highest sense of the word, pure and utter perfection. Omniscient, all powerful, all pervading, the ultimate. etc.

Human thought is bound by experience and previous thought. Try it, try to come up with a completely original thought that cannot be broken down into something that you have previously learned. Its impossible. It can't be done, original thought doesn't exist in a pure form, instead everything we think about is based on things that are already in our mind. Therefore anything that we can imagine, must be based on previously existing principles. The very fact that we can conceive of a perfect being means that a perfect being must exist. Therefore god must exist.

or something along those lines... There are holes I know, this is an incomplete translation at best. When my teacher taught it is felt nearly irrefutable. (even if I wasn't convinced )
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