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Old 03-30-2007, 11:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
Simmiah
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Default Maybe I'm biased....

But I'm not for it.

I've known people when I was younger who kept telling me they had spiritual experiences through marijuana & ecstasy & most notably, acid.

However, I've not touched drugs except for twice when I was 19 .. & only pot then. It didn't do anything for me that I didn't already feel sometimes so I didn't see the allure.

I don't think the path to enlightenment lies in drugs...sure they can experience the 'states' but are they ready for them? Based on the comments I used to hear from those people & the books they used to read.. I will say they were not ready for the states they experienced so they unwittingly attached the 'states' to the drugs they used to obtain them. Oftentimes I heard pride associated with obtaining these 'states' & a lot of ego going on..which makes sense they couldn't understand what the higher states were about. I wonder if having an access to the 'states' through drugs occurs without surrendering the ego in some way... I really wonder about the awareness that emerges.

When I had my state of Joy that lasted a few hours I had been reading the Heart Sutra prior to that for a few months. I had contemplated it..tried to logicalize it.. even wrote a poem about it.. & well! When I had my state, the entire thing made sense. But if a person who has no exposure to say.. the heart sutra obtains the state.. of what do they have to compare it to?

David Hawkins (who I respect) wrote that using drugs to access higher states of being had a karmic debt that was incurred. I do not know what he means by karmic debt but it doesn't seem like it would make any sense to do drugs & not work the other way by surrendering the ego.

Maybe someone else can comment on a more personal level but I personally feel sort of against drugs. I guess that sums it up!
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