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ethereal · 03-26-2007, 11:38 AM

Wow, thanks for the clarification Cantando. I think I can actually understand that

So our true Identity is this Awareness that is continually changing its perception to include more and more, i.e. raising consciousness? And ultimately, Awareness of Awareness is the ultimate state of consciousness? Consciousness is an attribute of the essential "I" that allows parts of Manifest Awareness (i.e. life with self-awareness) to be aware of other parts of Awareness, including ultimately Awareness itself?

Thanks again, Cantando -- that was the clearest explanation I've heard for the difference between consciousness and awareness. Still digesting it, lol

edit: just wanted to add some insights I had while reading "Discovery of the Presence of God -- Devotional Nonduality" by Dr. Hawkins. An excerpt:

"The ego/mind is a dualistic construction that originated as animal consciousness which, eons later, evolved through primitive homonids and finally to Homo sapiens, in which a prefrontal cortex was added to the old animal brain, providing the capacit for linear conceptual thought. Thus, initially, the mind primarily became a new tool for the expression of animal instincts through what is now called the ego."

So through evolution on the physical plane, as well from the effects from the non-physical realms, animals began to evolve their consciousness. Dr. Hawkins calibrated that below 200, people can experience things and their mind can act, but they do not have self-awareness, the awareness that "I exist". This is correlated with how people below 200 have group karma and a group soul. But once the 200 level is passed, self-awareness becomes possible, the soul individualizes, individual karma begins to be kept, an etheric spiritual brain begins to develop in the etheric body. Once this self-awareness is possible, consciousness then begins to ramp up as the mind (as an instrument of consciousness) begins to seek its source, first by manifesting more proactivity, truth, intelligence, love -- the levels of consciousness, which are aspects/gradations of Divinity/Awareness -- in the material world / physical plane, and then finally on to spiritual knowledge and awareness. Gradually, it realizes that its source wasn't the ego-self with its animal instincts, but is something much greater. With the help of those Avatars and Masters who have advanced ahead of us and left behind their teachings, as well as spiritual energies from the non-physical realms, the mind purifies itself, begins to recognize the truth within itself and relinquish the animal instincts mankind has evolved from, and eventually lets go of the primary duality and remnant of the animal mind: "I exist".

2nd edit: realized I somewhat contradicted myself in saying that animals/people below 200 aren't aware of their existence, and that "I exist" is the primary duality of the ego. I think the answer (not sure if it's right) is that "I exist" is inherent within the ego, but animals/people are not aware of it and just act accordingly without knowing it.

03-26-2007, 11:38 AM	#16 (permalink)
ethereal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 511	Wow, thanks for the clarification Cantando. I think I can actually understand that So our true Identity is this Awareness that is continually changing its perception to include more and more, i.e. raising consciousness? And ultimately, Awareness of Awareness is the ultimate state of consciousness? Consciousness is an attribute of the essential "I" that allows parts of Manifest Awareness (i.e. life with self-awareness) to be aware of other parts of Awareness, including ultimately Awareness itself? Thanks again, Cantando -- that was the clearest explanation I've heard for the difference between consciousness and awareness. Still digesting it, lol edit: just wanted to add some insights I had while reading "Discovery of the Presence of God -- Devotional Nonduality" by Dr. Hawkins. An excerpt: "The ego/mind is a dualistic construction that originated as animal consciousness which, eons later, evolved through primitive homonids and finally to Homo sapiens, in which a prefrontal cortex was added to the old animal brain, providing the capacit for linear conceptual thought. Thus, initially, the mind primarily became a new tool for the expression of animal instincts through what is now called the ego." So through evolution on the physical plane, as well from the effects from the non-physical realms, animals began to evolve their consciousness. Dr. Hawkins calibrated that below 200, people can experience things and their mind can act, but they do not have self-awareness, the awareness that "I exist". This is correlated with how people below 200 have group karma and a group soul. But once the 200 level is passed, self-awareness becomes possible, the soul individualizes, individual karma begins to be kept, an etheric spiritual brain begins to develop in the etheric body. Once this self-awareness is possible, consciousness then begins to ramp up as the mind (as an instrument of consciousness) begins to seek its source, first by manifesting more proactivity, truth, intelligence, love -- the levels of consciousness, which are aspects/gradations of Divinity/Awareness -- in the material world / physical plane, and then finally on to spiritual knowledge and awareness. Gradually, it realizes that its source wasn't the ego-self with its animal instincts, but is something much greater. With the help of those Avatars and Masters who have advanced ahead of us and left behind their teachings, as well as spiritual energies from the non-physical realms, the mind purifies itself, begins to recognize the truth within itself and relinquish the animal instincts mankind has evolved from, and eventually lets go of the primary duality and remnant of the animal mind: "I exist". 2nd edit: realized I somewhat contradicted myself in saying that animals/people below 200 aren't aware of their existence, and that "I exist" is the primary duality of the ego. I think the answer (not sure if it's right) is that "I exist" is inherent within the ego, but animals/people are not aware of it and just act accordingly without knowing it. Last edited by ethereal; 03-26-2007 at 12:31 PM.