[Topher]

That said, quinoa and soy are both "full protiens" and are very good to use, especially if you are doing a vegan fast (which I do on occasion). I also use soy protien as an extra supplement due to the fact that different protiens work in different ways in your body. For instance, whey isolate helps you to grow muscle faster, casein helps you to retain muscle longer etc.

Quinoa is a miracle grain, and I suggest everyone incorperate it into their diets. Use it any way you would use rice. I made a great cheesy veggie dish with it just the other day. I used asorted veggies and herbs, along with heavy cream and parmesan... you can do so much with it, just like rice.

It is true that many people overeat protien in the US... but they overeat fat and carbs much more so. If you are working out daily, or have an intensely physical job, you need much more protien. Someones calorie intake that is doing intense labor or everyday weight training may be in the 4000s for maintanance and/or desired growth.

The science is there. It does not back the veggie-nazis. The FDA is on our side. The scientific journals are not lying to us. But, a single study is not a conclusive study. A set of studies by one organization is not conclusive either. A series of independent studies IS absolutely reliable. Science trumps conscience when it comes to nutrition. If your conscience tells you that the science is wrong, you need to reform your conscience.