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Old 03-24-2007, 09:37 PM   #14 (permalink)
Freelancer
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I've read all the responces and what glass joe/ethereal are saying I'm not understanding at all, either your english is to tough/difficult for me or I'm just not ready yet.

I don't necesarily believe all this 'stuff' yet, in a way I'm one foot into subjective reality and the other in objective reality. I can tell you its a weird feeling.

Here's my view on a subjective reality;
I imagine a 'entity' which basically exists and nothing more, it is generating tendrils that are further away from enlightenment and the main 'body'. Each of these tendrils is experiencing a world that is created by the total thoughts/subconscious of all tendrils together. The longer your 'tendril' is the more you believe in objective reality and the more you are basically living in the world created by other 'tendrils'. Your subconscious is only a 'mechanism' to generate a world for the tendrils to experience, and your conscious is only there to experience the world and affect the subconscious to change the world positively or negatively. Both are equally correct because it doesn't really matter what the world is, its just a place to experience and to travel through. The closer you get back to the main 'body' the more enlightened you will become, ultimately you can go beyone the conscious/subconscious and enter the body which is a place of peace and serenity. Looking back all your struggles and problems are valuable but not particularily relevant.


Right now all of this is still inside my mind and imagination, if its true I should start to travel closer to the body and enlightment. Since what governs the subconscious is shaping my views and this world. This view should also explain why when one person is (subconsciously) believing something it doesn't have to manifest itself in the world yet, the rest of these tendrils will hold back the idea's. It might manifest itself partially though. So perhaps in a path to enlightment you need to bring others closer to the 'body' as well so that the world can actually change.

Meh I'm starting to ramble on a bit, I don't know if its true. I hope so because objective reality sometimes isn't that awesome at times, I'm not talking just about pain/sorrow/etc but also archieving a goal like 1 mill $ doesn't seem so awesome at all or having every material object doesn't seem that great.



Ps. Its weird but this viewpoint does explain a lot of idea's/thoughts that didn't seem correct at first. Why would a spiritual person have to eat? If its a subjective reality he should be able to change it to a place where eating is obsolete. But if the rest of the 'tendrils' are creating a world where you need to eat than one spiritual person (although he should have a great effect because he is consciously changing his subconscious and his reality) will not change this. Which is why asking for a sign or prove is pointless, the rest of the tendrils changed the world in such a matter that sign's or prove are not available.

Edit, a moment ago I tried a different exercise, trying to clear my mind I tried to view the world the whole of reality and history future so to say. This is what I came up with, no idea if its usefull;


Objective reality
Subjective reality
Above all
Spiritual person
Trying to explain to others the process
Nobody gets it
Crazy
Why?
Desperation
Weird experience
People start to understand
World starts to change around you
Magic becomes possible
Things change
Happiness to all weirdly enough
Enlightment to many
Curiosity reigns the lifes of many
Enjoyment and fullfillement
Everything transcends back into the one big being
Everything is created new
Objective reality starts to form
Subjective reality
Above all
Spiritual person
Trying to explain to others the process
Etc
Etc
Etc
Etc
Etc

To the end of time we are tendrils that are send out and slowly find there way back, dieing and living is just part of growing towards the main being. There is no such thing as consciousness and subconscousness perhaps if we release this than we become one with the body, perhaps we can function like life lines to other tendrils helping them to get closer to the body. Eventually everything will return to the body and it creates new tendrils to send out and experience new things and new worlds. Our body’s/minds and reality are just a extenction of the main body.

Perhaps the story of a very objective person to a very spiritual person that is changing the world and helps other people is a good story for a sci-fi book (even though it might be reality).

Last edited by Freelancer; 03-24-2007 at 09:56 PM.
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