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Originally Posted by SatvikBeri

I'm not sure. At times Abraham seems fantastic, at other times...eh. I kind of feel like Abraham isn't the same entity every time.

Maybe because they aren't a single entity. They are a collection of beings, they say.

Originally Posted by billionairekid

I speak from experience that while their material sounds good, its garbage.

Pretty much a whole forum has had a different experience than you.

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That would perhaps make your claim less objective than what you seem to imply, hmmm?

It is a quite unique forum, actually. It is basically filled with alot of members that have as much or more upbeat and optimistic attitude (that can be discerned through text, anyway) than people such as... I dunno maybe Angela. (That's the general trend I have picked up on though, it might not be that way now or have always been like that, it has just been that way the numerous times that I have read through it). Before, I couldn't really browse that forum very much because I didn't like the vibe of it: extremely optimistic people with an incredibly huge and colourful palete of emoticons. In short, it was too happy for me. (misery loves company, not misery loves Pollyana)

It would seem that if they are genuinely happy, they are doing something right. Of course someone will come in and say that they are only happy because they are deluding themselves and that ignorance is bliss (which it is; ignorance of that which you don't like is bliss) but I can't remember seeing anyone posting that their beliefs have eventually caused their reality to crash and burn. And these are people that live normal lives, they don't get convinced by Esther to go with her to some farm in Arizona where she can freely brainwash them and shield them from the cruel and contradicting reality of normal lives while she promptly steals their social security number, although it seems some people here might believe that could happen, lol.

It's not efficacious in anyway. If it was as easy as they say it is, why do they keep writing books and putting out material?

Because people keep asking. And not only about LoA, but everything, the Universe, reality, our future, our past, animals, why we are here right now, why we chose to come here, our broader perspectives. Also a wide variety of specific issues, like the loss one feels when a relative dies, a pet dies, minority rights and discrimation etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

And they do repeat what they have already said A LOT. And they take central concepts and demonstrate them in a new way, like the «upstream/downstream» thing you touched on. Maybe because they want to get the core message through to a culture that takes life waaaay too seriously and wants to make everything complicated and hard («this is too good to be true, there must be more that I have to do?») I know from experience that in the perhaps YEARS after reading my first book by Abraham, I searched out other teachers in order to make my approach to the LoA «whole», since I reasoned that it couldn't possibly be as easy as they say it is. I am partly still struggling with it.

They want your money, that's why. They weren't making money before the invention of "Abraham."

I'm not sure but I seem to remember that they were well off before they met Abraham. And do you really have enough evidence to make such definitive claims? It's a nice way to gossip and taint someones reputation but as far as having a mature discussion it doesn't really hold.

Have you ever noticed how these gurus who are teaching you how to get your dreams only achieve theirs through teaching you? It's seems a little absurd doesn't it?

Is is so weird that their wealth comes through what is essentially their daily job? Would you rather that it came through them winning the lottery?

It isn't weird that Steve Pavlina (another person that can be viewed as a guru, and that says that he wants you to achieve and live your dream life) gets most of his income from this site and products and things that are related to it. It is, after all, his job, and therefor would seem to be the path of least resistance for money to come through.

One might argue that their dreams may be to help other people. I accept that argument and challenge them to produce something that doesn't involve putting out products in their current market. Most couldn't do it. These people are smart. They know what they are doing. Think about the idea of going downstream all the time. They claim that if you are feeling bad that you are resisting and all you need to do is stop resisting and life will happen. This is true to some extent but they give no valuable means of dealing with this resistance.

I guess half of the Book Ask and It is Given, 150 pages, that is devoted to processess to deal with resistance and creation doesn't exist than, huh. (unless you have tried them and didn't find them valuable). And then you have all the practical stuff that they have discussed in workshops, such as the infamous 17 seconds of pure thought equals 10000 labour hours (or 20000). Another book I have, titled «the astonishing power of your emotions» (I don't remember the title I haven't read it in a looong while) has each chapter deal with a specific issue, like for example I said that previously that your pet has died. And after it has discussed that, it suggests ways to go from being in a bad way emotionally to getting over it. Might it not be simpler to work through a rough experience if you have some perspective on it (it doesn't need to be their perspective, mind you)? Like for example that you get to know why you react the way you do, that the dead really aren't dead and are living in a state of being so glorious that most humans that live can't even fathom (though if they shifted their attention they might get their emotionally).

I don't know about the other books as I haven't read them.

They don't teach growth, they teach dependence. You are dependent on their material when you follow the path they've created.

If they/Esther wanted people to be dependent on their material, they wouldn't let their teachings be so simplistic. Feel as good as you can as much as you can -- that pretty much sums up their whole philosophy. By making it so simple as to be about your own feelings, than you have much more options to feel good than their material. You don't even need anything more than the knowledge they give you, which can be baught inexpensively. In many processess you need only your own mind, and maybe a pen and paper to be able to focus more easily. If I were them, I would say that you perhaps need some kind of crystal for example, a special kind of crystal that can only be baught from them (of course I would have to find a way for it to be both believable and profitable). If their goal is to make as much money as possible, their strategy seems less than optimal.

Then you can counter with saying «but perhaps the simplicity is just to lure people in to their nets, so that they can unknowingly get trapped into their world by a philosophy that promises great reward from minimal effort». And I'll say that they never get tired of repeating dead simple stuff like «just feel as good as you can», or to in a humourus way respond to an audience that might be qurious about the technicalities of how reality operates by saying that 'you are all taking things waaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously, just feel good is all you need to do, but if you want to know all this stuff sure we'll indulge you'.

I am quite fund of Abraham and have bought two books from them, and I think that is all I will ever really require if what they talk about turns out to be true (though I might want more later, not out of requirement but quriosity and desire) . I don't think that's a big investment.

Look around the intentional manifestation forum and Steve's blog. There is tons of information that is far more useful than anything Abraham Hicks has to offer.

I have found all other LoA sources inferior to Abraham, for me.

Life is about growth. Abraham Hicks speak to a materialistic crowd and they do it purposely.

I find it ironic that you seem to speak of materialism negatively, and you call your self billionairekid. No judgement, I find nothing inherently wrong with materialism in the light of LoA.

Originally Posted by luckyluciano

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It's quite frightening that adult sane individuals fall for chanelling and still believe in ghosts.

It seems that by extension you would find most peoples spiritual beliefs on here frightening. A large percentage believe in concepts such as oneness and things related to it. IMO there isn't a leap of faith to believe in the possibility of channeling within the framework of such beliefs. Yet I find that people seem to be weirded out by it. They talk all day about how we're all really one and you are a reflection of me and I am you yadda yadda, but to think that a spiritual being can be able to communicate through a person (a person that they are already at one with, anyway) no that's weeeiiiirdiiiing me out maaaaan.

Of course if you find all of the oneness talk to be a "frightening" belief too, than I can understand where you're coming from.


I don't get where you got the part about ghosts from though... Abraham isn't a deceased spirit.

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Epilogue : I hope someone gets something out of this post, as it destroyed my vision of going to bed early lol Oh well, my thoughts, my visions, my actions.