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Old 03-20-2007, 07:06 AM   #8 (permalink)
Shindra
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Thanks for the reply!

I find this topic really interesting.

So, are you basically saying that the 6 billion people on this planet come from one consciousness?
Can you have a dream in which 'you' are walking through a crowd? Can you have a dream in which someone shows you statistics about the growth of the world population? Yes.

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So, Steve, yourself and I are one in a sense?
Yes. That is *exactly* the thing. The great, ancient, 'spiritual' truth which has now been shown in a logical way. All is one. And if you shift your identity to awareness, you will feel this.

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And are you conscious in the same way that I am?
There are many egos, but only one of them has a first-person conscious perspective. 'you' and 'I' exist within the real I that is consciousness. I am/is only aware of one ego 'from the inside'. That is, for example, it seems as if I is/am looking through the eyes of what might be called the first or primary ego, yet in fact I is/am just 'dreaming up', creating, visuals that I experience. When I lie down to sleep my eyes are closed, yet I dream I see things and have eyes within that dream.
Consciousness is conscious *of* one ego in first-person perspective, and many egos in second-person perspective. No ego is conscious, so it might be a mistake to even talk about "are you or I conscious?" when 'you and I' means 'Shindra and SecretSeven'. Do your thoughts exist if you're not conscious of them? Can you have a thought in your mind and not know it? Of course not. Thinking of something = being aware of it. And a mind is a part of the ego. It exists only dependently of consciousness, only in consciousness.
So your mind is not conscious of itself. Your body, too, only 'sends' impressions to consciousness (consciousness is actually just 'creating' the impressions/sensations, in accordance with seeing a body when you appear to look down (change your visuals), as it is experiencing them). Your mind and body, your ego, is not self-conscious. The only thing that can be self-conscious is consciousness.

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