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Originally Posted by DerekMB 
Would you say you agree that consciousness or thought controls the body?
But the body is a physical thing: muscles, bones, skin, etc...
Thought is a non-physical thing that is said to be the essence of who we are or what it means to be human. If thought can control physical things like the body (muscles, bones, tendons, etc...), shouldn't it be able to control physical things in general?
For example, can thought control computers?
Can thought, essentially, infest itself within other matter or complex things like microprocessors?
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Hi DerekMB (good questions),
The moment we are jettisoned from our mother’s womb, the process of taking our first breath not only “wakes us up” into the subjective dimension of our newly created minds, but also draws our consciousness out into the physical matter of our bodies.
Using your word, our consciousness then
“infests” the body itself (I like the words "saturates" or “imbues” better; less negative sounding).
The miraculous construction of our brains, in conjunction with the ubiquitous branching of the nervous system throughout the matter of the body, acts as an
“interface” between mind and matter. So think of that first breath (sometimes accompanied by stimulating the bottoms of the feet) as something that
summons-fourth our awareness from the inward and subjective dimension of our minds and out into the objective reality of the universe.
Furthermore, through the nervous system we are then able to control the body (as you pointed out – flex muscles, blink eyes, smile, etc.)
The point is that any interaction between our minds and the matter of the universe will always require some kind of
“bridging” interface such as the brain/nervous system (or the various external devices mentioned by you in a later post). We will never be able to
directly control universal matter with our wills in the same way that we control the mental imaging substances within our own minds.
To understand what I am getting at, if you create the image of an apple before the eye of your mind, you alone control the substance forming that apple. That apple image is thoroughly imbued (“infested”) with your life essence. It
directly responds to your “thoughts” (your will). There is no “bridging interface” required between your will and the substance forming the inner reality of your mind.
You can even take that apple image and transform it into a tropical island scene with the pulp of the apple forming the beach, the apple skin forming the palm trees, and the apple juice forming the ocean waves caressing the shore. (Taste the waves – it's apple juice! Granny Smith? McIntosh? Red Delicious? Your call.)
Furthermore, no other living consciousness existing outside of your mind can reach into your mind and change that tropical scene into something else by directly accessing your mental essence with their will. Their thoughts cannot “infest” and control that scene.
The interior reality of your mind and the substance within it represents a separate dimension of reality that is “closed” unto itself, and is owned completely,
and only, by you.
The ultimate point is that the universe is also a separate dimension of reality, closed unto itself, whose interior substance is “owned” by another individual consciousness. And the only reason we are experiencing this other Being's inner reality right now is because our minds are held within bodies that are part of the reality itself.
(Again, our consciousness comes into existence via the advanced construction of the brain and body formed in the womb. At birth, the consciousness not only awakens unto itself, but also awakens-forth into the matter of the body via the nervous system, allowing it to control the body. Furthermore, the body is constructed with five sensory “windows” that allow the consciousness to peer into the inner spatial dimension of another Being's mind – a mind that created the body.)
So what I am saying is that our individual minds, via the “multi-sensory interface” of our bodies, are literally held within the interior reality of another Being’s consciousness – a consciousness
so advanced that its very thought structures (bodies, trees, planets, suns) appear to us as what
seems to be "natural" or even "serendipitous" occurring phenomena. Yet it is
all a product of
mind and consciousness. 
What we are viewing when looking at a "real" tropical beach is merely a super-advanced version of that apple beach in our minds – nothing more, nothing less. They are both created from a similar malleable substance through-which consciousness creates reality.
In "quantum" terms, if you break down the matter composing a rock (or the skin, bones, and muscles of your body) to its most fundamental essence, it appears to be composed of a substance that isn't quite "real" itself, but can become anything real that consciousness can "imagine" it to become (and that is pure quantum science).
Now just break down the apple beach scene in your mind to its most fundamental level and you’ll find the same phenomenon. The rock and the apple beach merely exist in two separate dimensions of mind, each with a separate owner (one of which being billions of years in advance of the other).
So in reference to your OP, humans may someday be able to create extremely advanced matter based interfaces that work off of electrical impulses from our brains that, in turn, trip computer relays to perform all kinds of matter manipulating functions (just by our “thinking” something). But at no time can our thoughts "infest" objective reality in a way that resembles the interior of our minds.
Note: What I am trying to clarify here is that a particular thought may indeed produce a unique electrical waveform signature that a physical receiver can translate as being an “intention” (probably what the "BCI" you mentioned, already does). This thought based intention (example: “make me a sandwich”) could then set off pre-configured "microprocessors" connected to devices intended to manipulate matter in accordance with the “intention” (like the word-based replicator in Star Trek, perhaps). However, it can never be a direct will-to-matter manipulation, like changing a No. 2 pencil into a butterfly just by thinking it, the way you changed the apple into the tropical scene.
Therefore, the bottom line is that just as we cannot reach into the informational fabric of each other’s minds and “directly” wield and manipulate each other’s mental holography, neither can we reach into the informational fabric of God’s mind ("infesting" the quantum, so to speak) in such a way that would allow us to “directly” wield and manipulate God’s mental holography.
Some kind of mind/matter "bridge" will always be required.
(Our ability to flex and move our bodies is probably the closest we will ever come to “quasi-directly” manipulating another Being’s mental imaging energy, but only until our minds are “born out” of God’s mind through death.)
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