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Old 02-10-2010, 09:58 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by OlderWiser View Post
Right. It's Everything. It's the Nothing-That-is-Everything, simultaneously.


Yes, which is why words can't really describe it. In order to describe it, you have to conceptualise it, and the moment you conseptualise something, you automatically limit it, shape it with your own mind, and change it from what it actually is.

But, being human, we still like to try to understand this stuff, try to conceptualise these things. It's our nature. So long as we understand that all of our concepts, ideas, words, and everything else are, essentially, wrong (or, at least, not-really-right), I don't see the harm in it.

I'm afraid I didn't understand most of your mathematical references, but my husband is pretty brilliant at that sort of thing, so later I might ask him about these principles. I'm sure it'll be interesting!
Right, that's what the reflection principle is, what you are describing. You can't describe it.

But smaller infinities like - {3,3,3...} an infinite set of number 3 I think are understood conceptually. Not the actual "largeness" of infinity but the fact that it is a set of 3's that never ends.
There was a time when people didn't think about that. It didn't exist in math.

There are different infinities also - physical (large and small), numbers or sets and others.

The math stuff is probably on Wiki under transfinite number.

Transfinite number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it is! there is a link to Absolute infinite also.


Very interesting subject to me too. The best book on infinity is "Infinity and the Mind" by Rudy Rucker
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