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chunter · 03-12-2007, 10:01 PM

I am not a Christian anymore - I'm proud to say I've evolved beyond it. But I found myself unconsciously looking for meaning in various aspects of Christian teachings and I created - or perhaps discovered - the meaning for myself. This of course might not mean anything to you personally, but this is my "interpretation" if you will:

(According to the Catholic bible) God punished humanity for the sins of Adam and Eve by saying men would work for the rest of their lives and women would have painful childbirth. Why make men work and women have kids? What a stupid punishment. I mean, women can choose to skip the kids and men can marry a sugar-mama, so god was pretty dumb, eh?
Now I know there's one god - consciousness - and this god is me evolving, you evolving, us evolving, consciousness evolving.
I started thinking...I hate parenting. I hate how my kid is dishing out the same **** I dished out to my parents. I remember my dad saying, after my son was born, "it's payback." I think of how I value growth and wisdom and why it's so frustrating to deal with issues and feelings and behaviors in my own child the same as what I've finally overcome in myself and then *BINGO*:
Whoever wrote the bible was obviously talking about CHILDREN. Adam and Eve were the first kids. They disobeyed God and got kids of their own for whom they suffered to bring into the world and had to work to support. Each of us is born with "original sin" because we were the "original sinners." Kids are the way we pay ourselves back and we use them to fix our flaws. You say, "but not everybody has kids. So the people who do are sinners deserving payback?" No, childless people "have kids" too for the same reasons and we ALL pay the price for fresh ignorance. Here's an example: YOU finally grew wise and stopped driving like a reckless youth. YOU have learned. But there is a brand new reckless youth on the road today. There will never be "wisdom" alone on the road until we stop creating more stupidity. We all must grow and learn so we can stop the self-punishing cycle of birth and death so ALL/ONE will be wise on the road of life.

Here's something ironic:
"God wanted Jesus to give his life to save us all from our sins."

"Sin" is ignorance. God doesn't sin because god is the Highest Self who knows all. We (the Ego), just like Jesus, must give our ego-self, for the sake of god (our highest self)
Jesus was the example of what we all must do for "God". So Jesus is a lesson to be learned like all else in life.
I think Christians have misinterpreted HOW Jesus is going to save them. He set the example to help us help ourselves. There's a Christian saying: "Feed a man a fish and you feed him for a day; Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." Jesus was the message - he taught us how to fish. Problem is, Christians keep coming back hoping he'll feed them. He has long since presented the lesson; Learn from him and move on.

03-12-2007, 10:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
chunter Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 3	I am not a Christian anymore - I'm proud to say I've evolved beyond it. But I found myself unconsciously looking for meaning in various aspects of Christian teachings and I created - or perhaps discovered - the meaning for myself. This of course might not mean anything to you personally, but this is my "interpretation" if you will: (According to the Catholic bible) God punished humanity for the sins of Adam and Eve by saying men would work for the rest of their lives and women would have painful childbirth. Why make men work and women have kids? What a stupid punishment. I mean, women can choose to skip the kids and men can marry a sugar-mama, so god was pretty dumb, eh? Now I know there's one god - consciousness - and this god is me evolving, you evolving, us evolving, consciousness evolving. I started thinking...I hate parenting. I hate how my kid is dishing out the same **** I dished out to my parents. I remember my dad saying, after my son was born, "it's payback." I think of how I value growth and wisdom and why it's so frustrating to deal with issues and feelings and behaviors in my own child the same as what I've finally overcome in myself and then BINGO: Whoever wrote the bible was obviously talking about CHILDREN. Adam and Eve were the first kids. They disobeyed God and got kids of their own for whom they suffered to bring into the world and had to work to support. Each of us is born with "original sin" because we were the "original sinners." Kids are the way we pay ourselves back and we use them to fix our flaws. You say, "but not everybody has kids. So the people who do are sinners deserving payback?" No, childless people "have kids" too for the same reasons and we ALL pay the price for fresh ignorance. Here's an example: YOU finally grew wise and stopped driving like a reckless youth. YOU have learned. But there is a brand new reckless youth on the road today. There will never be "wisdom" alone on the road until we stop creating more stupidity. We all must grow and learn so we can stop the self-punishing cycle of birth and death so ALL/ONE will be wise on the road of life. Here's something ironic: "God wanted Jesus to give his life to save us all from our sins." "Sin" is ignorance. God doesn't sin because god is the Highest Self who knows all. We (the Ego), just like Jesus, must give our ego-self, for the sake of god (our highest self) Jesus was the example of what we all must do for "God". So Jesus is a lesson to be learned like all else in life. I think Christians have misinterpreted HOW Jesus is going to save them. He set the example to help us help ourselves. There's a Christian saying: "Feed a man a fish and you feed him for a day; Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." Jesus was the message - he taught us how to fish. Problem is, Christians keep coming back hoping he'll feed them. He has long since presented the lesson; Learn from him and move on.