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Originally Posted by Chris_Stretten  HAHA... good points. I never said that I would resort to cannibalism! And I certainly am not a murderer  . I'm not advocating anything... I am simply making an observation, from another point of view, and trying to be non-judgmental. I'm not defending the actions of murderers or condoning anything of the sort.
I know that the stranded people didn't kill to survive... they ate the dead. They performed cannibalism no? Would you have starved in that situation? Would anyone else you know? Hopefully you'll never have to face that decision...
Can you honestly say that the ends never justify the means? Perhaps they don't in your view... perhaps they do in someone else's.
I think that a conscious darkworker does what they want to achieve their ends with full knowledge of the consequences... but that they are willing to live with those and pay the price. Polarity has extremes (call them what you want) at both ends.
It's your right to come to a conclusion as to what is correct and acceptable to achieve an end. It is also the right of another person to come to a different conclusion. Murder is undesirable behavior in our society, and I agree with that (others do not though... as is evidenced by the fact that it happens all the time).
You believe that there is right and wrong - and that is that. I think that there is a level I would never reach to achieve an end, but others would be willing to. And personally, I would put the destruction of another human being at the furthest end of wrong - but that's just me (and you and millions of others). Is that the limit of what is to be considered acceptable? Or is the limit much sooner than that? Would you consider that "stabbing someone in the back" is acceptable (figuratively now ), just to achieve your goal? Perhaps you wouldn't... but there are millions of people who think that there is nothing wrong with that level of negativity. They may have surpassed your limit of what is acceptable, but does that make it wrong? I'm sure those people will pay a price in some fashion... but if they are willing to pay it, and it helps them achieve their intentions, then that is a success, like it or not. I have done this before... and it worked for me, but the price I paid for it was too high (for me), and I would never do so again.
Anyway - again! - back to work.
Peace.
Cheers,
Chris |
Yes, that does make it wrong. I am the arbiter of acceptable behavior (actually, I kind of like the ring of that....).
I am not a really good person to ask about right and wrong. On the one hand, I cannot get in the express lane at the supermarket if I have 13 items and when the bank gave me $500 (yes, FIVE HUNDRED dollars) instead of the $100 I was supposed to get, I took it back. On the other hand, I have often thought I am capable of murder under the right circumstances and I don't *think* I would lose a minutes sleep over it. And the circumstances really don't have to be THAT dire. So I probably wouldn't be that great a final judge of right and wrong. That doesn't change the fact that deep in my gut I feel that there is a definitive right and wrong that exist outside of the eye of the beholder. Maybe that is my social conditioning, I don't know. Or maybe it has a more anthropological basis. In order to survive, a species has to have limits on its self destructive tendencies. Especially a species as devestatingly self-destructive as human beings. Maybe THAT is the root of our innate sense of right and wrong. I just know that if we are all going to fit here, we have to find a way to get by without hurting each other. My morals are pretty simple, really. If it isn't hurting anybody else, it is probably OK. When you start infringing on the people around you, you are crossing a line. So, yeah, I wouldn't accept stabbing someone in the back. Or cheating them. (Eating them once they are dead is OK, also. They're dead. What do they care?) I recognize that this might be viewed as a provincial attitude by many and perhaps it is just MY view. But it seems like a pretty good standard to me and it is what I am teaching my kids. On an intellectual level I can see your point. Practically, it does not seem to me to be very viable.
BTW....the price paid by those successful people you mention sounds to me as if it were paid by someone else. Again, it comes down to whether you subscribe to each individual defining acceptable behavior on their own terms or you subscribe to a more universal moral code. Maybe that is the difference between lightworkers and darkworkers. Darkworkers prize the individual to the exclusion of others and lightworkers prize the individual as a part of the whole. It reminds me of this thing I say about Republicans and Democrats: Republicans think the world would be a better place if we would all just take care of ourselves. Democrats think the world would be a better place if we would all take care of each other. Neither is really 'wrong' as long as neither is taken to extreme. And, ultimately, it most likely takes a little bit of both types for things to work. Darkworking isn't 'bad' if it isn't taken to extremes. You can look out for yourself without crushing someone else.
BTW some more....BUT 'greed' and 'lust', no matter what definition you are using, imply achieving your ends at the expense of others and you can spin it like a dreidel, you are going to have a hard time making that sound 'OK'.