Originally Posted by renie408
First, the people in the plane crash at least waited until the people they ate were already dead of natural causes. And they weren't down the block from the local Food Lion, either.
Second, remind me to never get stranded anywhere with you. Or actually, just remind me to stay away from anybody who thinks the ends justify the means in general (can you say 'Dick Cheney'? Wait, he can't even get the ends right.)
Lastly, I think your argument strikes me as off because it sounds to me as if you are advocating sociopathic behavior as a great way to achieve goals. You basically define sociopathic behavior (doing what you want with no regard to others because you see no problem with your actions) and then say that is a viable behavioral model because it helps the sociopath manifest quickly. I get that sociopaths are manifesting machines. My point is that whether THEY think their methods are acceptable or not...they aren't. I am back to that judgement thing. But sometimes judgements feel like rational assessments to me. Certain behaviors have an intrinsic value aside from their usefulness in achieving individual goals. It is just bad to kill people to get what you want. Period. It might work really well, but it is still an undesirable behavior. There really is right and wrong. And I don't think that is just because that's what works for me. The human race won't last long without it.
HAHA... good points. I never said that I
would resort to cannibalism! And I certainly am not a murderer
. I'm not advocating anything... I am simply making an observation, from another point of view, and trying to be non-judgmental. I'm not defending the actions of murderers or condoning anything of the sort.
I know that the stranded people didn't kill to survive... they ate the dead. They performed cannibalism no? Would you have starved in that situation? Would anyone else you know? Hopefully you'll never have to face that decision...
Can you honestly say that the ends never
justify the means? Perhaps they don't in your view... perhaps they do in someone else's.
I think that a conscious
darkworker does what they want to achieve their ends with full knowledge of the consequences... but that they are willing to live with those and pay the price. Polarity has extremes (call them what you want) at both ends.
It's your right to come to a conclusion as to what is correct and acceptable to achieve an end. It is also the right of another person to come to a different conclusion. Murder is undesirable behavior in our society, and I agree with that (others do not though... as is evidenced by the fact that it happens all the time).
You believe that there is right and wrong - and that is that. I think that there is a level I would never reach to achieve an end, but others would be willing to. And personally, I would put the destruction of another human being at the furthest end of wrong - but that's just me (and you and millions of others). Is that the limit of what is to be considered acceptable? Or is the limit much sooner than that? Would you consider that "stabbing someone in the back" is acceptable (figuratively now
), just to achieve your goal? Perhaps you wouldn't... but there are millions of people who think that there is nothing wrong with that level of negativity. They may have surpassed your
limit of what is acceptable, but does that make it wrong? I'm sure those people will pay a price in some fashion... but if they are willing to pay it, and it helps them achieve their intentions, then that is a success, like it or not. I have done this before... and it worked for me, but the price I paid for it was too high (for me), and I would never do so again.
Anyway - again! - back to work.