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Old 01-07-2010, 08:38 PM   #14 (permalink)
Annemieke
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Originally Posted by Melchior View Post
But if there's a pattern to it and this pattern can be influenced, that is the transformation of consciousness I'm getting at.
I think that indeed there is a pattern. And that consiousness somehow is that pattern. And that pattern is what influences the energy. Or the other way around.

I had been listening to a series of David Bohm lately and he talks about just that. It was a series of 5 videos that I uploaded to my blog, and what I mean was in the third video where he says something like ‘the quantum field is different from the electromagnetic field, it only depends on the form and not on the intensity’ and ‘information contributes fundamentally to the qualities of substance’.

So that gave me very much the idea that one force reacts to intensity and another to form. Or that one is the intensity and the other is the form, or something like that.

About the transformation of consciousness, do you actually see it is a transformation? Or do you think of it more as a development or evolution. There are some interesting theories about the development of consciousness in Integral theory called Altitude and there is also an interesting theory called Spiral Dynamics. Both have interesting things to say although it is not exactly science and apart from that rather controversial.

But by all that I more or less get the feeling of a development or evolution. And not what you say 'changing the course of a river'. That looks more like a transformation.
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