[Klamachpin]

First, some groundwork. I'm not polarized, but in keeping with the terms for purposes of effective communication, I have strong darkside tendencies. In addition, my upbringing encouraged a darkside viewpoint, and as such I'm most apt at aligning with that point of view. The primary reason I have not polarized as of yet is due to not quite figuring out how to accomplish goals of contribution and legacy via utilizing fear energy. This, however, is not something I ask advice upon – I will only believe my own rationalizations based on my own experiences.

I also wish to put forth that I'm not as well-read as some of you appear to be. I am not familiar with the works of Ayn Rand, Goethe, or Nietzsche, nor do I wish to be. I have other goals in greater need of my attention. I don't subscribe to multiples upon multiples of commercialized blogs. Should I find something or someone that grabs my interest, I will follow it, but I'm not one to stockpile loads of what I consider to be useless information.

One of the biggest problems I see in these discussions is a confusion of terms. The inward/outward pairing causes the issue of balance to appear. The light/dark pairing has issues with social conditioning. The love/fear pairing brings into play a relation between polarity and stages of awareness that is not true. Other pairings I’ve seen on the boards are just as inadequate – these concepts are difficult to condense into words. What's important, though, is attempting to understand the concepts without giving power to the words themselves. Recognizing the words as simple descriptors by detaching the social connotations/emotions from those words helps greatly in understanding the concepts put forth.

That being said, I’m going to follow with quotes that have sparked a response from previous postings. I’ll attempt to give the responses from my darkside point of view. These responses are not point-by-point arguments, rather they are simple responses meant to convey an attitude as a whole.

That is, given infinite time, money, and skill, what I will choose to do is to help others. But I fear that other people would not make the same choice, and so I don't want others to have power over me - I don't feel safe around other people.

Given infinite time, money, and skill, what I will choose to do is also to help others. It is just that I'm not active in giving help to others. Instead, I choose to become a resource that others can draw upon. This way, I'm sure that the help I produce will be quality aid to those whom would benefit. Should I simply give great quantities of limitless aid, I'd not only be unsure of if my help was affecting the right people, but my help could potentially be harmful to those whom misinterpret it.

It is not what I fear that motivates me to help others - it is the recognition that others have not conquered their fears yet. By ruling over my own fears I serve as an example to those whom are powerless against their fears. By increasing my own knowledge, status, and wisdom I increase my visibility to those looking for a beacon of hope. By requiring that those I befriend help me, I teach those I aid to recognize their responsibility of contribution while those I refuse are shown my truth that nothing comes without a cost.

It seems to me that if you're out to help people, it would be extremely hard to be a jerk. But maybe that's the result of my bias -- I'd like to hear from darkworkers on this one. I've definitely met people (been people) who were trying to help but went overboard and ended up irritating the assistee.... but those seem to be fear-based helping... I wanted to be seen as helpful, rather than to help.

From my perspective, it would be extremely easy for a lightworker to be a jerk. Lightworkers constantly give of themselves in the best manner they can provide. They focus on giving quantity. Unfortunately, many of those whom a lightworker seeks to aid do not wish to receive assistance, and those who wish to receive may not be satisfied with the help the lightworker provides. In either poor scenario, the lightworker is seen as a jerk.

With the darkside method, people come to take aid from you, and if you are smart about it you allow them to take what they believe they need from you. There are limits, of course. You must watch over those whom you aid to make sure they are not acting out of greed or sloth. The only ways you can be seen as a jerk is if there is a misunderstanding between you and your client, either actively (i.e. “no, you can do your homework on your own!”) or passively (i.e. “sorry, I don’t understand multiple variable calculus either”).

How does it feel to be "on the dark side"? Do you mostly fit in, and people only know that you're a darkworker if you tell them? Or do your actions end up being different enough that you get noticed? I assume, given society's approach to light/dark, that you end up being labeled "deviant" and therefore outcast. Are you at peace with that, the way I'm at peace with being a female mathematician? Or do you fear persecution, and build up defenses? Do you get to trust anyone? Or do you hold back even from your closest friends?

The vast majority of society would not label me as a “darkworker” per say, since they aren't familiar with the term. They will, however, identify qualities I exude that are consistent with darkworkers, while saying I’m a good guy, if easily taken advantage of. The “easily taken advantage of” part is a difference of perception, though. It’s not that I’m easily manipulated, but rather that I readily submit to acts of aid that meet two conditions: it draws upon my resources in a useful manner, and it does not significantly hurt me or my goals. People are often surprised at the resistance I put up to something that goes against my values – even if it is something commonly perceived as harmless. This often puts me at odds with the in-crowds, though I am not seen as specifically deviant or outcast… just different and sometimes confusing.

When I was younger and working with near darkside polarity, I didn’t trust anyone with my true motivations and built up walls upon walls to defend myself should the issue arise. I believe now, though, that that response was an act of my awareness being at the level of fear, rather than a result of polarity. I am currently in process of taking down those walls.

I have difficulty to imagine how can a darkworker continue his path in the after life. How can he seek Power in a non-physical reality? I mean, what do the darker worker do after life? Is there a kind of "hell" where to carry on competing for power? Does this journey ultimately leads to the Source as well? Or is it just a no end path like the big religions seem to say?

This is not something I can say with any level of sureness, since I am unclear about the after-life myself. Assuming that we continue on in a non-physical reality, there is always knowledge to be gained, experiences to endure. Omnipotent perfectionism is a constant goal, and from my understanding of the Source, to become perfect and omnipotent is to become one with the Source. Now, that understanding of the Source could be totally off-base, but the attitude is not.

As far as competition goes, remember that not all competition comes from other humans. It can be from nature, yourself, fate, karma, or other sources. At worst, each instance of competition is an obstacle to be overcome and conquered, similarly to fear. At best it is a learning experience. As a darkworker, you want competition as it hones your skills and grants you experiences. To be without competition is to be bored, idle, ineffective.

What I am curious about is what does darkworker enlightenment look like...u know, is it possible to feel the oneness of everything and to know that everything is One through the dark path? Stopping identifying with the physical body, how can one continue serving his/her avatar?

My guess would be that feeling one with everything as you describe would be achieved by expanding your avatar to include everything, rather than recognizing your avatar as being one with everything else. I don’t even know if that makes sense. My understanding of those ideas is quite fuzzy.

I think one of the primary differences between heaven and hell is the company you keep. And I'd rather live in the company of lightworkers than the company of darkworkers.

If I had to make a choice, I’d rather live in the company of darkworkers. At least then you absolutely know that your contributions are being utilized to their maximum potential, and your resources are vastly knowledgeable, and always seeking to gain more of the same things you want. Status would become relevant to specific types of knowledge and experience, rather than social standings. With higher awareness darkworkers, social standings become obsolete, and cooperation against the largest competitions becomes the rule.