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Old 12-20-2009, 08:01 PM   #648 (permalink)
Cochonette
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Basing your own morality on that of a coyote is extremely immature. It would be like saying, "Babies aren't potty-trained, so why should I be?" "Birds have no control over when they take a dump, so why should I?" I don't think you're really that immature; you're just making random excuses for something you fully intend to do anyway.

I think there certainly are similarities between the Nazi mindset and that of animal-eaters, but it's not wholesale. I have read some interesting academic articles on this matter that I think get the point across without reducing the issue too much. I think it would be more compelling to point out that many survivors of the Holocaust became vegetarian as a result of their experience, PETA's Holocaust exhibit was designed by a Jew, and Jews like Isaac Singer have drawn connections between the Holocaust and our relationship with animals in writing.

I don't think that Steve's article is very effective because people are too immature and care too little about the issue to begin with. I'm not attempting to equate people exactly to Nazis here, but if we were to tell the Nazis they were the AntiChrist, I don't think they'd care anymore than they did before. People who just don't care whatsoever aren't going to care more because you tell them the Devil would do the same thing they're doing: They simply don't care. The Nazis cared about "Germans" and were convinced that Jews didn't matter. So the question is how do you get them to understand that Jews matter? How do you get meat-eaters to understand that animals matter? And humans and other species are not exactly the same experientially, so the solution isn't going to be exactly the same.

The article on intersections between the Holocaust and animal exploitation is a review of the book Eternal Treblinka (which I haven't read). Treblinka was a place where massive numbers of Jews were exterminated. Well, animal exploitation is like an Eternal Treblinka in that it never ends, it's not about extermination but "production." We "breed" animals for the sole purpose of exploiting and slaughtering them.
http://www.criticalanimalstudies.org...tpatterson.pdf

By the way, even backyard farmers usually get their chickens from factory farms (hatcheries). Baby chicks are shipped live in the mail like any other package, and if any chicks die in the process, they'll ship you some more.

Though I am vegan, I don't think that ALL consumption of eggs is non-vegan/exploitative. But I do think that commercial consumption of eggs is objectionable when it's not necessary. There may be a small portion of the population that actually needs animal protein, and for them I would approve of egg-consumption, but I still hope that it would not be commercially-obtained. Using eggs just because you're too uncreative to bake vegan pancakes is silly. The reality is that there will always be factory farms if people continue to consume animal products at the rate we do. Getting your eggs from a local source where the animals are treated fairly well is a step up on the individual level, but that is not sustainable across the population. If everyone replaced factory-farmed eggs with eggs from truly (and not just commercially) free-ranged eggs, then we would just end up with factory farms all over again because there's no way that small farms can produce eggs at the same rate. In the U.S., 97% of farms are small, family-owned businesses, but 99% of animal products consumed here come from factory farms. In the news, you may read about this great free-range "Angus beef" farm.......... but, interestingly, it's always the same farm and same family, and they raise about 40 cows at a time on that farm.
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