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Old 03-04-2007, 09:55 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Steve says absurd funny.

I'm 15 minutes thru so far. His theory at this point is that life is a big simulation, kind of like a Holodeck in Star Trek. hmmm

He's worrying too much about the question of why... why is he tied to think particular body... who cares? It is.

His voice is a bit high pitched for my taste, I don't know if I can listen to all 67 minutes of this.

He seems to have an issue with random. Ok, now he's saying because he finds something strange (the idea of a random universe) it probably is wrong. That's not a very logic step. It is the exact same view a bigot might take of homosexuality - "I find it strange, therefore it is wrong" (as for me personally, I find the idea of anal-intercourse between two men disgusting but by no means to I think it's wrong). Ok, back to listening now.

"Giant collection of unprovable assumptions", sounds good.

At 26:39 now. He talks about life is a big simulation & there is only one consciousness (his, I guess) and that his body is just a tool he uses to navigate thru reality (like a character in a video game he explains it). He goes on to say that his body and mind are the only thing he can directly control but he can indirect control the outside thru LoA (unprovable).

"Physical reality is the sum total of every intention" (unprovable but ok, he's entitled to his beliefs). "There is no perception without creation" (what about people in vegetative states who cannot interface with the world but still can think?).

Now he's say LoA doesn't work right away because we're paying attention to the now, if we stopped paying attention to the physical world we could change things more rapidly I guess. This is similar to the belief many children have that "If I close my eyes, you can't see me!".

"There's only one consciousness here & it's mine (or yours)". (31:10) I think Steve's gone off the deep end.

No one thinks but you. Hmm.

Continuing to listen, at 45:23 now. According to Steve, it's all about beliefs and everyone is God and we create even the laws of physics, etc.

46:00, this is getting interesting now. He's saying even if he's wrong and completely deluded, that having his beliefs are superior to having any other beliefs even if others are more accurate.

That is the crux of it and my main issue with this whole thing. It is basically saying, "Why bother to learn when it's all make believe and we can bend the laws of psychics, gravity, etc. if we really want to (I guess no one's wanted it bad enough). Sounds harmless enough, well maybe, until you think about a Heaven's Gate type situation or someone who decides to believe feeding nothing but cardboard to their son or daughter is healthy. Then physical reality steps in, proves them wrong and their dependents (or those gullible enough to listen) suffer for it (which I suppose doesn't bother the consciousness of the one who misled or malnourished them simply because they don't believe in any consciousness but their own so their own kid, a stapler, same difference.

Ok, pressing play again...

At 48:00 he says "most importantly, more accurate" in regards to his beliefs, this contradicts what he says earlier. "As my consciousness becomes more positive, I attract more positive people into my life..." hmm, maybe the realist types get bored and move on. Anyway, how does that statement account for me?

"Motivated to act because I enjoy the unfolding process". Me too, but I don't need LoA for that. I can enjoy the universe without pretending I control the weather.

"Creative observation", I like that part.

I agree with the bloggers Steve talks about who agree with some of what he says and think he's totally deluded in other parts. After all, I'm here, right?

All in all Steve is interesting. You got to hand it to him. Here I am at two in the morning posting on his forum, getting his name in the search engines. I should go to sleep so I suppose but I don't feel much like doing it (despite how tired I am).

Anyway, that was fun, not at all wasted (I played Settlers of Catan and posted in a couple other threads while listening). Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.
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