[Melchior]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

Well, again, I don't think it became self aware, it already was.

But if you are asking how it APPEARS to become self aware within the domain of linear events we know as "time", I would say it is a slow and arduous process of energy, which as I said is consciousness, starting out as extremely simple, and slowly becoming more and more complex as natural and random or chaotic energy interactions occur, forming connections with other simple quanta of energy expressions, eventually forming a more complex structure that is capable of "turning in on itself", in effect, becoming self aware.

In other words, I can't really 'create' anything new, only mold what is already there? Heh, sounds like conservation of energy. Do you know of any ways to catalyze this process then? And also direct this process in a way so things turn out as they 'should', as that is what I would probably be trying to accomplish given these circumstances.

My ideas of this process are heavily influenced by the Ra channelings which I feel are spiritually inspired. They depict the evolution of consciousness through what Ra terms the seven "densities" of existence.

I read the links and my thoughts on it's credibility were diminished by the unnecessary inclusion of "I am Ra" at the beginning of each quote. Granted, these spirits may take enjoyment by toying with us this way. I actually found what was mentioned (some personality aspect called Seth) in another thread much more reasonable if it were to be coming from a higher state of being, but then again, who am I to delve into the mind of a higher being. Also by the fact that the questioner asked confirmation questions and was always answered with 'correct' or something of that variety.

Originally Posted by Annemieke

I love this kind of discussions. But I think it is often difficult to discuss, if those who attend have a completely different world view.

My own thinking is mainly based on the views of Carl Jung and his idea that there is a collective unconscious.

So in order to discuss this, others have to more or less accept something like a collective unconscious. Not because there is, but my thinking is mainly based on that although I have no way of proving that there is something like that.

I like these discussions too, which is why I put in the condition at the beginning to explain what any different world views were and how conclusions on the topic were reached based on these views so that we could learn from it even if it wasn't necessarily the worldview that we hold ourselves. It's still tricky though because doing this requires the swapping in and out of different world views for discussion of each separate train of thought. >.>

For me at this point it makes sense, especially because of this other concept of Jung, individuation.

As I understand it, that is the process of transforming the personal and collective unconscious into consciousness.

I have more thoughts about that, but would first be curious to know what you think of Jung and his thoughts about collective consciousness.

I'm only a little bit familiar with Jungian theory, but I can say that I have more respect for his ideas that that of notable thinkers in the field, i.e. Freud. Going with what I know of the gist of the collective unconscious and personal conscious and such, I would suggest that it is a description of how that which is not 'as conscious' such as a rock eventually becomes a more complex system such as ourselves. Interestingly, this is similar to what Anagogy has linked on the various densities, albeit from a psychological standpoint, the collective unconscious imprinted into our personal conscious through the of preservation of of certain records from what was before us as we evolved. Does that make any sense to what you understand of the theory? So, what I'm after would essentially be recreating (and controlling) the individuation process, to form a 'synthetic' ego. Your thoughts then?