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Originally Posted by spacedout  Consciousness is a concept in the mind - nothing more, nothing less. We can have opinions, ideas, beliefs, hypotheses, theories, viewpoints, debates, etc., but the bottom line is still, "consciousness" is a manifestation of the mind. Because of that, it is a subjective entity and therefore an enigma to the mind. To study consciousness objectively would require the absence of thought and hence, the absence of the mind. The only way to study consciousness objectively is to view it in a void, free from all thinking. Wipe the slate clean, so to speak, and live in it. That is the only way to understand consciousness. As soon as you start thinking about it, talking about it and writing about it, it immediately becomes subjective. |
What is the mind and how did you come to this conclusion/assumption that consciousness is a manifestation of it?
You know, one of the things I pointed out in the first post was specifically that we were going to use an objective world view for the purposes of discussion. I see you've introduced a subjective one, but I don't understand where or how this is being introduced. Also, there are a lot of claims here that require reasoning behind them (even if it's a simple that's just what I believe reality to be would suffice for some, although from what I'm reading this isn't the case) before I can really start to further discuss your ideas. Presently, these ideas cannot help me: e.g. with the statement of studying consciousness objectively by viewing it from the void, essentially apart from consciousness, while it seems like an interesting concept, I cannot apply it because application would necessitate its negation. in other words, creating consciousness is theoretically impossible as consciousness under these terms, even though the terms allow for its existence (and creation outside of it). I'm also sensing some inconsistencies within these statements, but won't expound upon these until I get a better understanding of where you're coming from, which may clear things up.