[seeds]

Originally Posted by spacedout

As you say seeds, "The Big Bang theory is purely 'materialistic' and proposes that everything of the universe was literally crushed into a very small and very dense space that exploded into suns, planets, etc.

I think the key element here is, "everything of the universe." The 'everything' is the material which is contained within the unmaterial universe. The universe is infinite - unlimited, but the material is limited. It is impossible for the mind to conceive of anything that is unlimited so the thinking mind must come up with something to explain that which is unexplainable.

I'm not begrudging your idea or trying to argue with your point of view, but am simply pointing in a different direction or, you might say, adding another point of view.

Why couldn't it be that when the Big Bang occurred, the infinite universe was already in existence and the very dense material, including light, simply expanded out into the universe? The light and the material are not the universe, but are part of the universe. The universe is not a bubble, has no edges, has no beginning and has no ending because it has always been infinite.

Thank you spacedout for joining the conversation (sorry for the late response).

I understand what you are saying and I respect your point of view. However, in this situation, I think we are merely debating the meaning of the word "universe" and what that word applies to.

I, and astrophysicists, see the word "universe" as applying to this melon shaped entity presented below.



It has a oneness and a boundary to it that is definitely, as you say, "limited."

And from what I infer from your statement, you see the word "universe" as applying to the unlimited, infinite "openness" in which this particular bubble is expanding. And you are absolutely correct in saying that there is no boundary to that.

But to me, what you call "universe" is actually the "infinite arena" in which an "infinity" of individual universes expand and mature.

Furthermore, I do not envision these universes as beginning in a violent crush and explosion of a dense "point particle" of matter, but rather in a gentle and natural birth of a new bubble of consciousness, "conceived within" then "born out" of an old bubble.

What I am talking about here are ancient minds creating new minds via the deft arrangement of mental holography into suns, planets, DNA, bodies, and finally "brains" that by their very construction, summon-forth the essence of life itself to form an entirely new self-aware bubble of consciousness.

Spacedout, as crazy as this may sound, when you got slapped on the butt at birth, a light went on in your very own universe.

Just do the math. Our minds are closed bubbles of subjective reality, inside of which we can create absolutely anything out of the holographic-like essence within. And even though at this moment the holography we create within our minds seems vague and illusory, it is not going to be that way when we awaken into full consciousness of it through death. You get a preview of your ultimate potential every time you fall asleep and dream (you lucid dreamers out there should easily understand this concept).

Think of what happens when you fall asleep and dream. The energy of your awareness withdraws from the matter of your body and is re-directed inward toward the essence of your mind. And what once appeared as illusory wisps of light-like imagery, now appears as seemingly solid manifestations of reality with great depth and dimension. Lucid dreamers are able to consciously manipulate what they are seeing.

And what are they seeing? – huge panoramic vistas of reality (like the Grand Canyon) that seem almost as real as earth vistas.

And what do physicists say about the vistas of reality composing the universe? They say that matter is filled with so much empty space that there is almost nothing to it – "phantasms" held together by electromagnetic forces, all springing into existence because consciousness is looking at it.

Just take lucid dreaming one step further and imagine a complete withdrawing of your consciousness from your body through death. Imagine that instead of a lucid dream, you now possess absolute awareness and control of the interior of your mind.

Now just project that potentiality of your mind into eternity. Then realize that as you look at the bubble of this universe from the outside perspective, what you are witnessing is a sample of how far that potential can be taken by a single mind just like you.



The "melon" shaped entity we are viewing in this thought experiment is not the product of an infinity of souls forming some kind of "amalgamated source" all chipping in to create just this one reality as some have suggested. And it is not a product of "chance" accidentally creating mind blowing order like the materialists suggest.

It is the natural progression of an individual mind reaching full maturity and control of its mental essence as it lives eternally. All taking place in what spacedout calls the "universe," but what I call the "infinite openness" that will forever give way to the births of more and more living bubbles of consciousness (universes) forming the "all that is."

(If you will excuse me, I am now going to attend a meeting of the L.P.A. (Long Posters Anonymous) to try and get some help. )

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