[themaster]

Originally Posted by Manuel

I'm not looking for reasons to invalidate the LoA, but I AM looking for explanations of the apparent contradictions with it.

The contradictions are invalidation.. but I would be happy to try and fill in the wholes that doesn't mean you won't invalidate those

Because everything about "new age" can be a invalidation.. the higher the information the more "EGO" may want to invalidate.. and thus reject the whole message all together.. I hope that maybe your one of the few.. that can reject parts of the message and still use some of its core teachings.. you see that is why I think of "The Secret" as a sect message

I guess there is a idea of "it's all or nothing" and I think a lot of people use that mindset.. me included, maybe

Originally Posted by Manuel

Because I wouldn't go and spend time on the LoA if I felt it was a waste of my time, I think that is obvious.

Well, here's a simple fact.. you don't need to spend any time on it.. you can observe your reality.. the scientist label for getting what you think about is..

*coincidence* the LOA label is synchronicity.. you have to choose what it is

But the secret is.. if you think it's more than *coincidence* than it all starts to make sense and is a truth you can prove mainly in your reality.. in others.. maybe not so much

If you never heard me state it.. I will state it clearly, I have always said that "new age" is a religion because it provides life after death answers.. how I feel about that now I can't say.. I can just say.. you may want to think of it that way.. if that's helpful or not.. sometimes giving it that label is not helpful (yah, now that I use the word label.. I'm not sure LOA should be in that box.. I'm not a big fan of labels which are judgments )

I understand the "EGO" idea.. life is preciously short (I used to use this) and because of it I shouldn't spend too much of my time on this thing that may not serve me..

Originally Posted by Manuel

I need to have my questions about it explained in a way that makes sense, otherwise I simply do not find this whole Loa convincing.

As I said, I will answer your questions.. whether you choose to invalidate them.. is up to you..

Originally Posted by Manuel

I am not so naive to think that the LoA can prevent anyone from dying! :-)

Yes and no.. I mean all death is choice.. all limitations we take on our choice.. (whether we realize that consciously or not)

Law of attraction is the 3rd law of all realities.. I will provide you with all laws per my teacher

1. You exist.
2. The all are the 1, the 1 is the all.
3. What you put out is what you get back. <--- Also called law of attraction
4. Everything changes except the first 3 laws.

Originally Posted by Manuel

But Wayne Dyer is still very much alive, he just has leukemia. Now if one can attract perfect health with LoA

Not really attract.. there is where you might be confused.. The thing that creates disease is a self-inflicted.. disease is not in the blood stream, not in a airborne virus etc.. most disease is self-created and if you were to say get AIDS by sexual transmission.. more than likely that would be LOA getting you a disease to match up with the beliefs and definitions you have about yourself..

You see I bet you and I offer 0 proof but I bet you many more people have gotten AIDS etc. then what's reported.. but our body's are beautiful machines that can repair anything.. and for those who don't have negative definitions/beliefs they would just CURE the disease.. there's no need to go there..

Let me give you a example that you can probably find proof for.. (if that will help you validate) there's a story told on here and it's common story.. of a person who was accidently told they had "terminal cancer" and would die in 8 months or whatever.. well according to that story and other stories.. the person lived there 8 months and died.. but as is the case with these stories it turns out that they were not the one who had "Terminal Cancer" it turns out that was bad information/a misdiagnosis

So then you ask.. why did he die?

Answer is simple.. because he believed he would die.. cause he believed the information passed on to him.. it is the power of belief and the mind.. so in that idea in relation to AIDS.. if you don't know you have AIDS, you were never diagnosed that you had AIDS.. and you didn't have limiting beliefs/definitions that might make that disease not carry on in you.. your body would just cure that disease and you would be none the wiser.. (so that's how I make a un-provable or hard to prove claim that many people may have contracted diseases and cured them.. because they were all right in there beliefs/definitions whereas others like Wayne Dryer.. have something going on)

According to my teachers.. beliefs and definitions are physical manifestations of messages we have about ourselves that we are "not okay" with ourselves.. those go from being validations in your reality (idea/thoughts.. beliefs in actions) to physical manifestations of disease..

I am not going to tell you that Wayne Dryer may not have a miracle cure.. (they happen all the time..) I recently met a woman who claimed to get rid of a terminal throat cancer through a healing class.. but he's going to have to give himself a "permission slip" to allow his body to heal.. it doesn't matter the form.. a new scientific treatment, a sugar pill, a healing class.. anything and everything can be a "permission slip" to have a miracle recovery.. but until he does that.. he's just letting that belief/definition take him out of this reality.. because it's a terminal belief/definition is it not?

Originally Posted by Manuel

We cannot obviously use LoA to keep us alive, because dying is an inextricable part of being human apparently.

This will change I believe within our lifetimes

Originally Posted by Manuel

But doesn't this suggest that there might be a lot of other aspects to being human that simply ARE, which CANNOT be influenced by LoA? I mean, we obviously cannot prevent ourselves from dying with LoA...how many OTHER things in life are there that we cannot control with LoA?

This is a statement of limitation.. I am a optimist.. I only see great things coming and unlimited ways to be..

As a normal person you look around the world and see limitation, lack and evidence.. optimists don't.. they see great things coming, they see ways to change everything.. they don't believe or experience much limitation and even when they're getting limitation.. they still imbue optimism..

Now here's a crux of a matter.. if you were to take a optimists viewpoint.. if you were to spend time researching optimistically.. you would also find EVIDENCE to support miracle healings, cures whatever.. why are there millions of articles published in our newspaper everyday..

About a person that couldn't walk? that now does
About a person who had thyroid cancer? but is now fine..

The stories and truths are endless.. you can choose your perspective.. I have given you a taste of mine

Originally Posted by Manuel

And this is what I think turns me off from the whole LoA thing the most: simply how far people take it. I mean, I certainly believe that your thoughts greatly influence your life and also what you attract INTO your life, but not in the way that many people seem to believe it here

LOA is a spiritual journey that's how I see it, here are the steps in plain English

1. See that your thoughts effect reality

2. Take it to the next level.. I have influence over reality! That means that everything created is for me! everything out there is a exact match to what I'm putting out.. I have power to change things!

3. More information, higher spiritual steps..