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Originally Posted by Melchior  So if I said that I have comprehended it, you'd know I was lying or only thought that I had comprehended it? (and subsequently disagreed with it?  ) |
Perhaps. But I think it is possible to understand something through symbols which represent concepts that are difficult for us to fully fit within our human consciousness. Sort of like the word "infinity", it's just a symbol for a representation we can't fully imagine, but we can get a vague idea of it, nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by Melchior It means that the world is deterministic, and whether you like it or not, this actually limits choice, through the exploration of all choice. By choosing everything, you don't choose at all. If anything, I'm beginning to understand the utility of having limits, flexible or not, because without limits, there would be no resistance, no reason for motivation, no change, everything yet nothing at all. So maybe it is just a game, a futile game that the unified consciousness executes in whatever existence it has, after all, that would be its nature, it's something that is inevitable. For humans, the idea of having infinite possibility, while on the surface is very appealing, once attained will only leave us, whatever 'us' is at that point, with nothing to do. Ever heard of the quote: "the journey is the reward"? I don't think it applies here, because all paths are taken, and the journey doesn't exist. there is only existence, in all its glory, doing nothing in particular. ...well, it might be having some fun.  |
But consider your own theory of the universe, with its particular physical limits. Is it any different really? If you presume an infinite stretch of time, will not ALL possibilities
eventually be explored?
And if they are not explored, you are stuck in a rut of experience anyway right?
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Originally Posted by Melchior I've given up individuality, in a sense, when I understood nondualism. Strict determinism, on the other hand, is something that I can but never will accept because it defeats the purpose of 'growth'. Does this really matter though, which is 'correct'? For the physical model, it matters, for the consciousness model, it doesn't. In my opinion, the best 'choice' then would be the one that matters, even if it turns out to be wrong. |
I still don't see the theory I've presented as deterministic in nature. I still see it as being more free than any other model. Infinity is a big place, it doesn't exactly imply "endedness". All experiences are available. If you can imagine it, it is there (not too mention there are PLENTY we, that is to say human consciousness, can't
yet imagine). I don't see that as restrictive in the slightest, actually.
From my perspective, growth matters very much in my model, not for what the growth will achieve, per se, but for the experience of growth itself -- it is a valuable experience to those who choose to experience it. Our consciousness is ascendant in nature, it ENJOYS growing. Learning is fun. That's why we chose growth experiences,
because we enjoy the journey.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on the issue.
