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Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com  It seems that SubR is indeed the ultimate Occam Razor solution. There are no questions that can be asked without SubR responding - "because I said so" LOL. |
I always ask, "why did I say so?". "Because I said so" is only fun in certain areas, and usually only after a 'why', in my experience. I don't quite see it as that. I have a purpose. To be and to experience the next greatest vision of the grandest idea I have about who I am. (which in SPsubR includes what the world is)
Also, 1C seems to stick things together logically, such as you cannot violate the laws of physics as long as you believe they are laws. (in SPsubR, the only absolute law is that you create the laws, what you believe=what is.)
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Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com Seriously, I am really having a hard time believing in SubR without an encompasing Objective Relaity because it leaves me feeling empty and, yes, lonely. |
I've found that in this, you have to be careful not to think in terms of your ego - that your ego is all that is, and that it is what creates projections. Or that your thinking mind, which is part of your ego, is all. Such thoughts can linger in the deeper recesses of the mind and create false views if you're not careful to root them out - speaking from personal experience here. Consciousness can be directly, visually, aware of a whole world, or at least very large parts of it at once, such as when seen from a spaceship or during OOBEs/astral travel, and it can know a whole universe exists. It's full of a whole complex universe. You Are Infinite. Infinite! A separate world with fear and people who because of fear seek power over others would cry out against such a statement. And yet, there are books published with titles such as "you are God - get over it"
We have already realized our power to create with our thoughts. That's some evidence to help shake off the chains. Egos would tell each other and themselves that they are small and relatively empty. Consciousness is grand magnificence as it's nature.
And from that view, everything looks grand and magnificent (see comments on how it is to experience oneself as awareness, further down.)
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Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com Where is the challenge and what is the purpose if all that "is" is only what I manfiest (what I say so)? |
The purpose is to experience (whatever you want). It is generally agreed that we want to experience better and better. Also, the purpose is just what you say it is. Nothing has meaning until you give it. This can, yes, seem downright shallow at first, if you have all your life been looking for meaning outside of yourself. If you look out there for a meaning and someone says 'there is no meaning out there', it seems like saying 'there is no such thing as meaning.' But when the meaning is self-created, completely based on your own values, it is fulfilling. "just because" is a magnificent state of creation. The reason it seems less is, I believe, because of fear, of others' judgements, because we try to go by the opinions of others. And in that, our own meaning always seems empty, because it does not live in others, but in ourselves.
When I've known myself as awareness in meditation, and opened my eyes and carried that just a bit with me beyond meditation (before bad habits of thinking returned), the experience was one of being Very Excited about doing anything, to express myself, and feeling love, gratitude, for all that I saw. As Steve said, everything is intensely beautiful. When there's no fear, everything is suddenly a most precious opportunity to experience whatever you want and to experience yourself as whatever persona you create, and to create better and better. As Steve has also said, it's the process, not becoming an instantly-manifesting god, that is so enjoyable.
The chosen purpose is "to improve the state of consciousness" -SteveP. Which includes all that you are aware of.
The challenge is to work with your thoughts, your beliefs, to manifest what you consciously choose.
To identify as awareness, IT IS WONDERFUL!
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Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com Being an engineer, I do worship at the temple of "scientific thought" and SubR leaves no room for that. |
SubR created science in the first place
Science can definitely exist within subR, it just says that 1. you an get better/faster results by also working with pure thought/belief 2. 1C can annul and recreate any and all ideas and laws of science. It can still decide that "I like this level, this kind, of science, let's keep it up"
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Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com I am definetly way over my head in this arean of discussion and totally under educated on the subject. |
Try not to complicate things, buddy - it really is just uncommonly simple. It simply says that consciousness is the container, not the contained.
You are not in over your head - you just need to be out of your mind
One's logical mind, of thoughts, does not seem like it can contain much. But awareness clearly can.
Consciousness comes first.
It does not arise out of brains, everything arises out of it.
Consciousness is the creator and container.
How many consciousnesses can you perceive, be conscious/aware of? One. SPsubR simply says that the empirical evidence is true. Back to basics. All you know for certain is that you're conscious and aware right now, and what you are aware of. And that's it, and that's it. The problem is stripping the mind of all the thoughts built on top of 'objective reality' - it's hard to speak of SubR from within that mindset. I certainly get headaches too
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Originally Posted by john6630@hotmail.com I think I may even have forgotten what the original quesiton was...oh yes, what is reality, life, purpose...and the beat goes on! |
Purpose: To experience. The relative experience naturally and functionally gives rise to the experiences of progress and growth.
On higher levels in this game, you do not do something in order to feel an emotion, you feel an emotion and then you express it, experience it's physical, mental and personal counterparts, that is the experience of being creative. As when LoA-people say 'feel abundant' - then you will get the money that prove it (to use a simple materialistic example).
Life: experience of change.
Reality: it's real, and it is subject to conciousness.
I hope that clears things up a bit. Or gives rise to more questions
Aiming for Bliss.