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Originally Posted by Michelle  Yeah, I do believe in "such things". There are no victims, only co-creators. Choosing to see a person or an animal as merely a victim of their circumstance (as opposed to a participant in it) is a very disempowering way of looking at anyone. |
i agree. there are no victims. the circumstances that look, on the surface, as if they create victims do not create victims. those are lessons chosen for specific reasons (or there are other spiritual reasons involved)... of course this is all my personal understanding. i am elaborating since someone asked me to, and i respect your right to see this differently.
Beuford asked what makes me believe it is true... in my view it is not just belief, it is knowing. i go inside to learn things and this is one of the things i learned... the place i go when i go inside does not look at things in terms of moral rightness, it has a different perspective that i have trouble explaining in words. (besides, right and wrong are subjective; they depend on your frame of reference. and for the record, i do have a pretty strict ethical code, but that is a personal/individual system and what i connect with is something else.) i went through a period when i thought eating animals lacked compassion, then i grew to accept this view of empowerment through choice.
this doesn't mean i sit there and enjoy the suffering of animals as i most certainly don't enjoy it. it is hard to think about and hard to watch, and i often have to remind myself that they chose the experience. i don't have access to all the context - there are spiritual and energetic aspects of the situation. this doesn't mean i think it's 'right', but it does mean the circumstance was chosen for a specific purpose.