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Old 11-01-2009, 06:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
Anagogy
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Originally Posted by aphorist View Post
Anything we point to of time/space is an experience. Realization is beyond those bounds, it's the container of those bounds in a way. Experiences come and go, the 'emptiness' is all that is ever there.

The pointer to the OP is to not focus so much on the experience because to think in terms of experience is to be bound by space/time. That is duality, confusion, suffering. It's where the OP's question comes from. Realization isn't really about a moment, it's about realization (it really is hard to talk about 'non-duality'... hah, or maybe I'm just bad at it). The mind wants to think realization happened within space/time, but eventually even that is seen through.

If you know yourself to be free, just be free... right?
Okay, I see what you are talking about now.

I just get confused sometimes when I hear people talk about things that are allegedly "beyond consciousness". I see experience and consciousness as synonymous. One cannot exist without the other. If something is beyond our ability to be aware of it, it might as well not exist from my perspective, because it will never be known, if there is no "knower".

But I see you have your own way of defining emptiness (which is fine by the way), but as I'm sure you are well aware, we all have our own contexts to transcend. My mental dictionary is not your mental dictionary, in other words, so your clarification is helfpful .
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