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Originally Posted by aphorist  Your description sounds like you've seen emptiness. It is very much a non-experience outside space/time. And you've noticed it's not an experience, yet you're still treating it as one. Looking for a state is looking for an experience. Nothing can persist forever, everything is moving and changing. |
What makes something an "experience" and something else "not an experience"? Where do you, personally, make the distinction?
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Originally Posted by Ariel Bravy Oh, with respect to the world no longer appearing to exist, this state of abiding in nothingness or the void is actually a transitionary state, a temporary swing as we move from being immersed in the world of everything and form to the world of nothing and formlessness. Like a pendulum, we can experience either the manifest or the unmanifest. Eventually the pendulum may come back closer to the middle and you can experience the two simultaneously as if you are in two worlds at once, but then that duality of "two worlds" later collapses as well. I suppose it's kinda similar as how you can experience your hands being in two separate locations simultaneously. You can experience both "the world" and "not of this world" at the same time. It's not really an either/or thing, but Truth in its paradoxical nature rarely (if ever?) is.  |
I don't exactly see it as an "either/or" thing either. It's more like the moon, when the sun is out, it is just completely overshadowed by the intensity of the sun.
In the absolute, as I understand it, there is no difference between the manifest or the unmanifest. Those distinctions don't apply anymore in that state of being. As long as there is a distinction, unity has not been achieved.
From my perspective, the world only appears to exist because we are seeing it out of context with the whole. In the context of the whole, it is like a piece of ice floating in the ocean. The ice melting is like waking up, it becomes undifferentiated from the rest of creation to the point where the "old interpretation" of it's existence as separate doesn't even apply anymore. It doesn't mean the substance that made it appear has gone away, per se, but specific "form" has.
The intangible contains the tangible within it, but the tangible can only be seen when it is seen out of context with the intangible. Or, at least, that is how I see it.