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Originally Posted by SmartAlx  And by the way to call your belief system "esoteric" basically is admitting that you are elitest. That is the definition of esoteric after all... thinking that you are privy to some "inside knowledge" that sets you apart. |
In looking at several different dictionary meanings, i can see how it comes across as elitist. However, Elitist was not what i was meaning. That is why i mentioned the Greek meaning of the word. When a word such as that contains Greek, i look at the Greek meaning, and that often gives me the bigger picture. It gets me closer to the essence, or essential meaning. The essence tells me a lot more than getting caught up in the words that are used in dictionary to try and define the meaning. Having said that, i can see that this has still be a fruitful interaction in a number of ways, and have revealed a number of understandings about myself.
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Originally Posted by SmartAlx It's really not as difficult as you are trying to make it out to be. Simply answer these two questions:
1. Does your belief system embrace or reject sex outside of marriage?Embrace, Reject, or is the answer simply "No?" If it's not "reject", then just choose one of the middle answers.
2. Do you think that it's important to have sex with someone before you marry them?
Why is that so difficult to answer? You have a belief system. We all do. It either supports sex outside of marriage, it rejects it, or it doesn't care one way or another. Any human being who understands even a speck of logic can fit their belief system into one of my 8 choices. That is unless you refuse to put it in there on principal, and if you are doing that you are just being a curmudgeon.. |
Well, it is obviously not difficult for you to answer, but it is for me. That is why others and myself, have been giving you the opportunity to clarify if you so desire.
It is not a matter of principle at all. We each think the way we do. We each believe the way we do. We each perceive and communicate the way we do. It is an individual matter. We do not all experience ourselves in the same way. Each person has their unique neurological relationship, and how they process and communicate. Some are more left brain, some are more right brain, some give different meanings to the same word.
You know what you mean with whatever you say, or write. I know what i mean in what i say or write. Someone else knows what they mean and what they say or write, but somewhere, somehow, the receiving of that meaning may not necessarily come across to be received as it was originally. Sometimes slight variations. Sometimes huge. Sometimes not at all. So all we can really do when it doesn't happen in its fullness, is go back and forth to clarify. I obviously was incorrect in at least something i thought of you, but would not have known if you did not communicate it. That's what we are doing here.
You have expressed that people are just not answering, and as if they are receiving and perceiving your meaning in the way you do. Why would i or anyone commit so much time to respond to your post.
When you started this poll, the line of questioning also came across as if everyone has a religion. ie, having a deity, it is external. (getting back to that inner, out relationship i have been trying to convey as being different) You have been trying to address this, of which i appreciate, but it still seems like we are on different planets to some degree.
Your question comes across as assuming everyone believes in marriage, and as if it is everyone's goal is to get married, and does get married. That is ones sticking point. Now, i am sure there is something in the hardware store for removing glue.
The traditional marriage as a physical act that involves rituals is not part of my idea of marriage, but it was one that i thought was "right" for a while, becuase that is what i was born into from my parents culture that had a religious inflence to it. That concept evolved into what i now recognise as the belief of Marriage before sex as an internal marriage/ the inner union before sex. One that is not bound by time, Hierarchical blessings, paperwork, or any other external acts (that i was referring to as Exoteric/ outside of oneself). A union where the masculine and feminine become one. Where the lover and the loved disappear, and all that is left is love. There are other aspects that i understand, but difficult to describe, and i don't understand all of it. Its been a matter of some aspects that i have understood in the particular way i have evolved into relating, and some other aspects i may only be aware of in sense, but i don't really understand. We have been slow to understand each other in this thread, so i don't like the chances of even thinking about trying to understand something that i am still evolving with.
So, do you understand my predicament in being unable to answer your poll in its current format?
ADDED this note the day after;;
@ SmartAlx, I am not going to expend any more energy in this thread. Perhaps that means one less irritation to you. As much as it seems that way to me (not me specifically, but generally in this thread) i cant really know 100% if that is the case, and even if hypothetically it were confirmed to be 100% true, then it is really none of my business when you have not asked for some of what i said in my previous reply. You do as you please, be as you please, and respond as you please, think, see, or believe to be fit for you.
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