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Originally Posted by Lioness You're way smarter than me  I did not find it obvious until I saw it in writing. IMO it is a mistake to dismiss or minimize the importance of this core truth about our human nature. For successful Personal Development, it's crucial to know what drives our behavior on the most basic level so we can use this information to our advantage. |
Maybe I use too strong language in my forum posts sometimes

I think what I was saying is it's not really deep philosophy, but more a model that everyone can use. As I've said I've found the tools effective myself.
I'm not sure if you've seen White Men Can't Jump, but there's that line "sometimes when you win, you actually lose and sometimes when you lose you actually win" etc.etc. I think winning and losing can be very subjective, and so is pain and pleasure. Sometimes things are painful just because you intepret them that way..
I find the most valuable life lessons come out of the most painful experiences. Is this because of our desires to get out of pain and into pleasure? I think it's that a sense of clarity comes from the lessons.
Just some thoughts..