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Old 10-02-2009, 06:59 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by lifetimelearner View Post
if the pain vs pleasure model was applied these people would simply stop drinking due to the pain that was being caused to themselves as well as the people that love them but it's not that simple-

the thought patterns these people have to be thoroughly overhauled as well as the biological addiction has to be interrupted
It actually is this simple (according to me) if you look at it from another angle:

These addicts drink or do drugs because this short time pleasure + avoidence of pain is stronger than the long term avoidence of pain + pleasure.

Yes, they have to work on the thought patterns. They have to associate more pleasure and less pain with NOT drinking than with drinking.

For me this is very basic, but it makes sence on every level.

Avoidence of pain + pleasure > pleasure OR avoidence of pain (for me)
Avoidence of pain > pleasure (for me)
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