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Originally Posted by yossarian  you were the one who made the statement that intuition is actually rationality, so the burden of proof is on the person who makes the positive statement |
Prove that anything is rational. Prove you exist. Reductum ad absurdum. From my experience (and my common sense) intuition is rational. IMO, everything is rational therefore intuition is also.
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Originally Posted by yossarian i was making the negative statement by pointing this out - pointing out that you have supplied no evidence. |
I thought you don't believe in evidence or the sceintific method.
[QUOTE=yossarian;41613What is your evidence for this? Certainly not science..[/quote]
It is not possible to study an event that by it's very nature requires no observer be present.
[QUOTE=yossarian;41613The I-M model is the intention-manifestation model you were criticizing when you asked why I-M people don't just eat carpet instead of food.[/quote]
Why can't they?
[QUOTE=yossarian;41613The intuitive brain is based on fuzzy evolved heuristics which provided for the propagation of various genes. The intuitive brain is irrational because I can observe it behaving irrationally. For instance my intuitive brain right now is telling me to find some fattening greasy chips and swallow them down so I can survive the winter, but my rational brain knows there is no scarcity of food and that eating greasy chips will actually make me more unhealthy. There are countless examples of this both in the brain and in the body.[/quote]
That's not your intuitive mind, that's your rational mind (both arguments). I think you're confusing your reptilian brain with intuition.
[QUOTE=yossarian;41613The conscious part is only rational because we have defined it to be rational. Human beings noticed that the conscious brain could do this thing called "reason" and that in simple situations, reasoning can get very precise and exact answers to questions. When multiple people reason on the same problem, they tend to get the exact same answer, and in cases where there is dissent, people can often be made to find consensus after debate. [/quote]
Fortunatly that's not true in all cases (people studying the same problem getting the same answer) or the world would be a far less interesting place.
[QUOTE=yossarian;41613We noticed this ability and decided to give it a name. We called it reason, rationality. We also noticed various impulses and thoughts that seemed to have no premises, we called them intuitive. [/quote]
I don't think you know what intuition is. Intuition is (IMO) nothing more than lighting fast reason. Just because you don't know what hit you or how it hit you doesn't mean it's supernatural or beyond explination.
[QUOTE=yossarian;41613One might argue that it is rational to trust your intuition, but that does not mean that intuition is rational. It's a different process.[/quote]
I disgree (though I agree it's rational to trust your intuition).
[QUOTE=yossarian;41613Of course it's also true that our rationality can drive our intuition. We know that by consciously focusing on something we can change the core behavior of our intuition. But intuition is still an irrational process because when the intuition comes into play we cannot trace the premises, deductions, syllogisms, inferences, and so on that make up the rational argument in favor of that particular behavior.[/quote]
Just because you can't trace it back doesn't mean it's not rational. Just because you can't understand electricity doesn't mean it's not rational. It's very rational otherwise we wouldn't have been able to harvest it for use.
By calling it irrational you put yourself in a place of powerlessness and subserviance.
[QUOTE=yossarian;41613And btw I'm a math & physics major so I'm generally pretty ok at math. I don't really use the I-M model but I do understand it. My intellect is a prison cell and the guards rarely open my cage for outdoor recreation.[/QUOTE]
If you view the intellect as a prison I feel sorry for you. I love my mind.