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Old 02-15-2007, 09:36 AM   #7 (permalink)
Shindra
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Excuse the long-windedness. I'm trying to convert to subjective reality, and I find writing long explanations a good way for me to incorporate new thoughts into understanding instead of just peripheral logical knowledge.

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Originally Posted by JJH View Post
But according to psychics, there seems to be an in-between realm in which spirits, souls of the dead and other entities reside. If a psychic can commune with the spirit of the deceased, surely that is an indicator to the psychic, that other human beings have an individual consciousness. Something that goes against the very central tenet that SR is built on.
Subjective reality says that other humans (or beings) aren't conscious. Deceased or not. "They can walk and talk and they seem to have minds, but I can't percieve their consciousness" - Steve in one of the podcasts. Talking with a spirit is no different than talking with a living.
You imagining seeing a person on the street. Like in a dream. Your are the dreamer of a street and a person. You think they have thoughts, and because of these thoughts they will say certain things. They only have the thoughts you think they do, the thoughts you project onto them, you, as consciousness, create. They say the words you think they will.
You think there are spirits. You dream there are spirits. You think they have thoughts, and that they talk to you. You think that you can percieve communication as sound. You think you can percieve communication as written words. As telepathic images, maybe. When a telepathic images pops into your mind, it is an illusion that is comes from any other individual conscious mind. The image comes from your own consciousness, as well as the illusion that there is someone else who say they sent you that image.

You might believe that you can feel another's emotions. In truth, those emotions were not felt by another and then chanelled to you. The emotions only began existing when you began feeling them, imagining them into existence.

Imagine that you had a dream. A pure one-consciousness dream, not a dream where another entity visited you in your dream - because there are no other dreamers in subjective reality.
Imagine dreaming of some random people. You made them up. They never existed. Imaginary characters you dream of. Maybe they have fish-heads and bat-wings (I give this image to reinforce that they are not real).
Imagine you then have a dream where the dead spirits of fish-head bat-wing people talk with you. You dream they say they are real, exist outside your dream, and have come to visit you in your dream. You dream they say they appear in your dream through a form of telepathy, making images of themselves in your dream, speaking through your subconscious mind.
You wake up. You are no longer dreaming about them. Now you don't think there are still some fish-head spirit people out there who can come into your dreams, influence your dreams. They only exist when you 'dream them up'.

Your consciousness can conjure up any experience it can imagine. You imagine having a body, and that there's another body, and that you can feel the first body from the inside and if the first body touches another you can feel the second from the outside through the first's nervous system. Or maybe you feel two bodies from the inside, just as you feel both a hand and a head.
You imagine having a mind, and maybe you can merge with another mind, and feel two personalities in your consciousness at once. Your consciousness is so smart. It is only limited by beliefs. It can be conscious of two Eisteins' at once. Have the thoughts of two minds. It can suddenly conjure up a feeling of experiencing both human body number 1 and a whole tree with branches and leaves from the inside. It can conjure up an experience of being the whole universe, with lots of simultaneous lives and experiences in it at once. But that universe doesn't exist when it's not conjuring it up, experiencing it, imagining it. Just like a dream scene only exists when you're conscious of it - when you wake up, those dream areas, houses and people and whatnot, are gone. They don't exist.
There are no apples in the world. Sometimes you create visions of apples in your sight-imaginings/creations. When you think you 'touch an apple', you create the experience of a feeling of something solid. So there exists an image of an apple and a fingertip-sensation of something solid. There still isn't an apple. Then maybe you imagine you experience being an apple, like you experience being a body. Then there's an apple, a real apple. Then you imagine being only a human body and the apple is no longer there, only image and sensation.
There are no spirits in the world. There is only one consciousness, and everything is projections of consciousness. There exists nothing outside of consciousness. If you're not conscious of it, it doesn't exists. No bodies, no minds, no spirits, no experiences except what you're conscious of right now.
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