[Uplift]

Yes, each rejects anything that can't be explained or rationalised by the mind. By their actions they attempt to grandiose their field at the expense of simple imagination and spirit. Does the secret say 'Choose a goal. Then spend your time arguing about that goal to see if its possible or real, or if the process is possible or real.' If as spiritual teachers etc tell us, we are all one unlimited bliss, where all is possible, all is equal and good, all is bliss, why waste time arguing about it, and its possibility. By their natures and actions, science and philosophy put mind first and give no weight to the simple truth of spirit. Spirit exists without mind. Take away the mind, whats left? Who changes the mind? Who created the mind. My goal is bliss and non suffering for all. So I reject the notion that I can go and torture someone and explain it away with karma. 'I didnt rape her, she said no, but she meant yes. Anyway, she doesn't even know she wanted it, she created it... to learn from'. No thanks. The mind can invent any notion, even one as ludicrous as that. Look what Hitler came up with. Look what people did by blindly following. Spiritual? I can pour myself into either imagining bliss and non suffering, visualising it, or whatever, creating it, having faith, believing, or pour myself into rationalising, debating, doubting, creating arguments for and against. I must have missed that bit in 'The Secret. 'For sale, bliss and non suffering, unlimitedness, all equalness... or suffering, pain limits, inequality. Buy what you want, debate about it as much as you want.