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Originally Posted by WelfarestateChild

More power, and an excuse to bailout their insurance friends in the future. Insurance companies are obviously struggling today, which is why we get these horror stories of turned down customers.

Even in this depression/recession they just posted record profits. Please, argue if you want, but please try to connect to a fact once in a while.

Originally Posted by WelfarestateChild

Do you think they have it any easier in the future under such regulations? Those regulations will only make it easier for insurance companies because it removes a great deal of their responsiblity.

This is where market forces will come into effect. The insurance companies that want to survive will have to offer fair service.

Originally Posted by WelfarestateChild

You can be sure they will come crying to government as GM did, for a bailout in the future if such things happens. You do not want government and buisness to melt together, and form some kind of economic fascism where the consumer is cornered. He does not want to purchase the product offered, then the company should go bankrupt, but instead it comes crying to government and gets a hold of the taxes this very consumer has been stripped off of. And the big insurance company CEO wins.

I love the way you make stuff up.... Have you thought about writing fiction?

Originally Posted by WelfarestateChild

There is nothing voluntary about forcing insurance companies to do the list of things AR81 provided in the op.

- What? You don't think they should provide the service that people are buying? Don't go into the business.

Originally Posted by WelfarestateChild

Voters. Does a mob really know whats good for themselves? Did the mob voting Hitler into power know what was comming? Some did, but mob didnt care.

What are you suggesting here? Please, be specific. I thought you were the one saying that people can do very well without a government? How can people be good and people be bad?

Originally Posted by WelfarestateChild

Selfishness is a part of all, we need to devise a system that rewards it. That makes selfishess contribute to society.

Can you give one example here? Henry Ford? Thomas Edison? Jesse James? How about Bernie Madoff? Are you saying that selfishness is always good and should always be rewarded?

Originally Posted by WelfarestateChild

Traditional capitalism came close, but the idea there is still to have a centralised power. This centralised power is what turns human selffishness to do evil stuff.

How about the centralized power of IBM, FORD, GM, General Electric, Standard Oil? Are these all bad, or all good?

Originally Posted by WelfarestateChild

The monopoly on the iniation of force - which is what the government is, a bunch of individuals with a monopoly on the initiation of force,

They no longer have a monopoly on force. There are now private armies that you, or anyone else with enough money, can buy. Blackwater is one....

Originally Posted by WelfarestateChild

i will find a tape of Obama lecturing us that fact if you want - Anyway, that kind of power does not keep criminals out of society, it heavily draws them in, to use this power.

Members of Government are one of many. In the US, we have a "Balance of Power" which is sometimes somewhat compromised, but basically it works. The Executive Branch cannot make laws or wage war without the consent of Congress. Congress cannot make laws without the approval of the Senate and the signature of the Executive. The Supreme Court is not an elected body because they are the Judges of all the other branches. They need to be above the need to raise "re-election" money. Therefore, US government officials, even the President, actually has less autonomy that Bill Gates. [/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by WelfarestateChild

More voluntary approaches to society has to be explored, such as anarcho-capitalism.

I like our system when it's working well....

Why don't you explain anarcho-capitalism in another thread?