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Originally Posted by Strem2  They get nothing out of pushing through a public health insurance. -- What do you think they get out of it? |
More power, and an excuse to bailout their insurance friends in the future. Insurance companies are obviously struggling today, which is why we get these horror stories of turned down customers. Do you think they have it any easier in the future under such regulations? Those regulations will only make it easier for insurance companies because it removes a great deal of their responsiblity. You can be sure they will come crying to government as GM did, for a bailout in the future if such things happens. You do not want government and buisness to melt together, and form some kind of economic fascism where the consumer is cornered. He does not want to purchase the product offered, then the company should go bankrupt, but instead it comes crying to government and gets a hold of the taxes this very consumer has been stripped off of. And the big insurance company CEO wins.
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Originally Posted by Strem2 You keep saying "violent". I listened to the link you made before and don't understand how a public health option, a voluntary option that is paid for only by the subscribers, is violent. You have to be more specific. It is not forced, it is voluntary. |
There is nothing voluntary about forcing insurance companies to do the list of things AR81 provided in the op.
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Originally Posted by Strem2 This reform was requested by the voters. The Iraq war was promoted by a man whose father narrowly escaped a "hit man" sent by Sadaam Hussain, and another man whose former agency went from close to bankruptcy to being very, very well off. |
Voters. Does a mob really know whats good for themselves? Did the mob voting Hitler into power know what was comming? Some did, but mob didnt care.
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Originally Posted by Strem2 Your point? You and others have been saying that it's good to be selfish. Now you want me to argue against that? |
Selfishness is a part of all, we need to devise a system that rewards it. That makes selfishess contribute to society. Traditional capitalism came close, but the idea there is still to have a centralised power. This centralised power is what turns human selffishness to do evil stuff. The monopoly on the iniation of force - which is what the government is, a bunch of individuals with a monopoly on the initiation of force, i will find a tape of Obama lecturing us that fact if you want - Anyway, that kind of power does not keep criminals out of society, it heavily draws them in, to use this power.
More voluntary approaches to society has to be explored, such as anarcho-capitalism.