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Originally Posted by Uplift  This is a hard question to ask, or topic to discuss in a positive slant. From what I can grasp, Truth is, or must be the basic make up and unbreakable law of spirit, God, Supreme Being or whatever we call the source and fabric of anything. So this question plagues me. If there is this all loving, all equal, all knowing, supreme whatever, consisting of, or motivated by truth, and it is truly unlimited as numerous teachings expouse, why are some children born as drug addicts, toys for paedophiles, starving, tortured, etc, etc. Why the Tibetans, Indigenous Peoples (anyone remember them)? Does anyone really believe it is their choice, so that they can learn  , if they are lucky? Would you, if you were totally unlimited, totally capable of anything (like the supreme whatever), choose pain and suffering as the ultimate teaching method? Try and tell a sixth month old child being tortured that it just needs to align or adjust it's thinking, and that it is learning an awesome incredible lesson, that the whole thing isnt real. If that is the best that God or whatever can do, then the phrase 'God help us' is useless. If the Supreme Being has limits, where is the truth? If there is no truth, the whole thing falls apart, dog eat dog. So can anyone truthfully give a good answer? |
I've just finished reading this entire thread, and you have modified your question, Uplift, since its first posting, hence my reposting of it here.
First, let me say that, having read all of your responses in this thread that it is quite clear that your difficulty in wrapping your mind around some of this philosophy is directly linked to your being a parent. You are willing to accept the All Are God concept insofar as adults are concerned, but you conveniently forget about it when children enter the picture.
Therein the problem lies. If you are able to filter out the Illusion of Separation when looking at other people and accepting that they are, in fact, another aspect of yourself, then you MUST also do the same with all of the children whose cause you so vehemently champion.
IF you are ever able to do this -- and from what I read of your words, that's a very big "if," then you must accept that, minus our earth suits with their various shapes, sizes, colors, and relative wear and tear (age), then you have to accept that we are ALL similar aspects, or Points of Experience (POE's) of God, incarnated here on Earth in Spacetime to pursue a personal course of study along our own unique pathway towards enlightenment.
You cannot accept godhood for only the adults, you see. The kids are just as much God as are you and I and all the posters on this board. They have just as much invested in this duality as everyone else, and for the most part, just as much CHOICE.
However, just because one accepts that every soul -- be they in an adult body or a child's body -- for the most part chooses their own path, does not mean that one cannot be overwhelmed or overcome by the choices made by other souls once here on the playing field.
As a parent, it's quite understandable that you give a greater weight to the suffering of a child than to an adult, but I say that both are of equal weight. If you are to accept these teachings, you must see through the entire illusion, not just the parts that your ego can handle. For what you may perceive to be a suffering child, may well be a reincarnation of the very pedophiles you loathe, placing himself in a similar situation; turning the tables upon himself in an effort to learn EMPATHY for children in the future.
Perhaps it's a milder form of suffering. A soul reincarnates into a family whose gene pool pretty much guarantees she'll be fat and ugly. What we human egos see is someone constantly being picked on her entire childhood, perhaps her entire life. But what that soul has learned is EMPATHY for others who suffer similar experiences by being on the receiving end of it herself. This may have been because the soul had caused such suffering in others herself in previous lives, or it may even be a particularly brave soul who wishes to imprint that particular empathy onto her personality so as to avoid such behavior in future lives.
So, in a nutshell, that is why the suffering exists and continues to do so. However, this does in no way mean that we should turn a blind eye towards such suffering. It is all a subconscious dance we perform in the celebration of choice, free will, and experience. The child is unaware of its soul's purpose, and this is the suffering you cannot abide. Nor can I. Certainly, any behavior that causes suffering in others is negative, and we should make every attempt to steer our fellow POE's towards more POSITIVE behaviors.
The world you dream of that is ALL BLISS. ALL THE TIME. is a grand dream, indeed, and I believe we're on the path towards such a place. But it will probably not happen in our particular lifetimes, and so we have to make the best of the world we currently have to work with.
Duality and Spacetime exist because God wanted to experience things in relative "slow motion" perhaps to better understand how I-M works Himself.
There probably are a few worlds in the Universe that are the utopias you describe. The Universe is not this big for no reason, you know. I believe it's as big as it is so that OUR school, Earth, can be isolated from all the other schools in order for us to better focus on our particular course of study. Clearly, that course of study is NOT the Study of Bliss.
But if you want LESS SUFFERING in your reality, THINK about it LESS.
To think "No more suffering" only invites more of it because you're still thinking about suffering, just in different terms. Instead, think about a state of being where this is no suffering, give it a name that makes sense in your mind, and think about HAVING MORE OF THAT.
If the earth finally put an end to all suffering, and asked you to pick a new name for the planet, what would you call it? Shangri-La? Valhalla? How about Maui? Whatever works for you. Just visualize such a planet in your mind every day, and ask the Universe to make the Earth into Maui (or whatever), and believe it will actually come into being some day. Just understand that every thought you have centered around "suffering" will serve to counter your positive world view, and you will be like eternally pushing a boulder up a hill. In other words, KEEP YOUR THOUGHTS POSITIVE, and you will begin to actually see LESS suffering in the world.
Thanks for your thread!
~ RS